Loom and Leaf Mattress Review

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As an online bed-in-a-box mattress retailer, Saatva offers quality, “ultra-luxury” materials that you might find in a much more expensive mattress.

I was impressed with the original Saatva innerspring mattress, and I was excited to see how the Loom and Leaf, Saatva’s all-foam mattress, would perform.

The Loom and Leaf comes in two firmness options, Relaxed Firm and Firm. I opted for the Relaxed Firm model, hopefully a better fit for a side sleeper like me.

Is it really ultra-luxury for the best price? Read on for my full Loom and Leaf review.

You Might Want To Pick The Loom And Leaf If:

  • You Are A Hot Sleeper– The memory foam is convoluted which means it has air channels to help with airflow.  Also, the gel infusion and cooling gel panel work together to make sure you sleep cool. Memory foam mattresses aren’t always the best choice for hot sleepers, but this is not the case with the cooling Loom and Leaf mattress.
  • You Are A Side Sleeper– While it may feel firm at first, the memory foam slowly compresses and softens up. Lying on your side, you should feel great pressure relief on your shoulders and hips.
  • You Are Looking For A Long-Term, Value Mattress– The Loom and Leaf is constructed using durable, foam components. Because of this, I expected the Loom and Leaf to be pricier. The Queen size is $1,099 at full price. In my opinion, you really get a long-lasting, quality mattress for a value price.

See A Full Comparison of Loom & Leaf To Tempur-Pedic Here

You Might Not Want To Pick The Loom And Leaf If:

  • You Are Looking For A Soft Mattress– While it does start to compress and feel less firm as you lay on it, the Loom and Leaf is firm for an all foam mattress. It is about average in terms of firmness, so if you prefer something very soft, I would look elsewhere. It’s really about preference.
  • You Don’t Like That Classic Memory Foam Feel– This is definitely that classic, sinking in experience you get with memory foam. There is less bounce and this makes it harder to move around on the mattress, so you may feel more “stuck.” If you don’t like this feeling, this may not be the best choice for you.
  • You Are A Heavier Back Or Stomach Sleeper– You might not get the proper support if you are heavier or sleep primarily on your stomach or back. Your hips may sink in when you’re on your back or stomach, making for an uncomfortable sleep. If this is the case, you may want to look for something firmer, like the Loom and Leaf Firm model, or another mattress altogether.

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Construction Overview

  • The mattress is 12” tall.
  • Looking at the Relaxed Firm version, the cover is quilted, organic cotton, so you have a nice, soft top to the mattress. It is also breathable and helps with cooling.
  • The first layer is 2” of gel memory foam. It has a 4 lb density and is convoluted to help with airflow.
  • The middle third of this layer has a gel laminate panel on top. It is a proprietary Spinal Zone Gel, designed to help with cooling and spinal support.
  • Beneath that, you have a 2” layer of denser memory foam. It has a 5 lb density.
  • Then you have a transition layer that helps transition you from the comfort layers to the support layers below.
  • Finally, there is a standard, base polyfoam layer designed for support.
  • The Loom and Leaf is handcrafted in the USA.

Related: Best Mattresses For Side Sleepers

Construction Takeaways

  • The Loom and Leaf is available in Twin, Twin XL, Full, Queen, King, and California King.
  • There are a two different options for firmness, the Relaxed Firm and Firm. The Relaxed Firm is designed for a nice balance of softness and support, ideal for side sleepers. The Firm is for customers seeking a firmer mattress, ideal for back and stomach sleepers.
  • The Loom and Leaf works with an adjustable base. You can even match this mattress with Saatva’s own Lineal adjustable base for a good combination.
  • The top layers of memory foam, make for a classic memory foam feel, with a slow sinking in feeling.
  • The slow reacting memory foam layers mean you will have good pressure relief, especially sleeping on your side. You shouldn’t feel much pressure on your shoulders, hips, and knees.
  • While all foam mattresses aren’t usually as cool as, hybrid or innerspring mattresses, the memory foam is gel infused, convoluted for airflow, and the middle third is laminated with gel to help with cooling, so you won’t be sleeping hot.
  • The materials and construction are durable, so this should be a long lasting investment.

See A Full Comparison of Loom & Leaf To Tempur-Pedic Here

Prices

The table below shows the various prices for each of the sizes that Loom & Leaf offers, as well as the associated dimensions.

SizeDimensionPrice
Twin38” x 75”$749
Twin XL38” x 80”$799
Full54” x 75”$999
Queen60” x 80”$1,099
King76” x 80”$1,499
Cal King72” x 84”$1,499

Firmness/ Feel

When I first laid down on the mattress, it felt a little firm. After a little time it softened up, and I felt that slow sinking compression you get with classic memory foam. Overall, for me, the firmness was about average, a 6.5 or 7/10.

On my side, I felt great pressure relief on my shoulders and hips. However, on my stomach and back, I felt my hips sinking in a bit because I wasn’t getting the proper support.

The Relaxed Firm mattress is definitely ideal for side sleepers of an average or a heavier weight. Lightweight sleepers may find the mattress to be a touch too firm.

Heavier sleepers or those that sleep primarily on their stomachs or back should look at the Loom and Leaf Firm model or another firmer mattress.

In terms of the weight limit, a Loom and Leaf representative said the weight limit is up to 300 lbs. For a Queen or King, that means you can have two people 300 lbs each sleeping on the two sides of the mattress. For mattresses smaller than a Queen, that just means up to 300 lbs total. Given the specs of the mattress, this was about the limit that I was expecting.

The Loom and Leaf’s upper foam layers are also slow reacting.  This makes it a little more difficult to move around on the mattress.  This is still something to note if you prefer more bounce.

Motion Isolation

The Loom and Leaf is an all foam mattress, so I expected it to perform well with motion isolation.

During my tests, there was little to no motion transfer. Moving around the cup, it was barely disturbed. If you sleep with a partner, you will most likely not feel them moving around at night.

This could be a great option for couples.

Edge Support

Being an all foam mattress, the Loom and Leaf does collapse as I sit near the edge. However, I don’t feel like I am going to fall off.

Also, lying down, I don’t feel like I am going to be thrown off. I would say the edge support is definitely better than average. This could be a good choice for couples.

You can see the good edge support in the photo below.

Marten’s Take

Marten is a staff writer for us. He has a much different body type from me. He is 6’7″ and weighs about 230 lbs (I am 5’9″ and 160 lbs.). Here is what he thought about the mattress.

“Joe felt it was 6.5 or 7/10 for firmness. I felt it was a 7.5/10. Like him, I felt some slow compression when you’re my size and lying on your side.

At first, I felt it was pretty firm but as I laid on it a bit longer, I was sinking in. With the four inches of foam, you can really feel that give and pressure relief.

On my back and stomach, I felt my hips sinking in. If you’re my size and a back or stomach sleeper, you might want to look for something a little bit firmer.”

Even for someone Marten’s size, it seems that the Relaxed Firm Loom and Leaf is best for side sleepers. Again, this model may not give proper support if you sleep on your stomach or back.

What Makes This Mattress Stand Out

  • It is great for side sleepers. The slow reacting memory foam allows you to sink in, relieving pressure on shoulders and hips.
  • It has a luxurious feel and is a great value for what you are getting. Based on its quality components, I expected the price to be much higher.
  • In addition, the components are quite durable, so this should be a longer lasting mattress.
  • It is great for hot sleepers. The use of gel in the foam, the convoluted pockets, and the cooling gel panel all help to keep you sleeping cool. All foam mattresses usually have trouble with heat dissipation and airflow, but that is not the case here.
Loom and Leaf
4.7 Reviewer
Summary
Loom and Leaf is made by Saatva, a company that has been selling mattresses direct-to-consumer online for quite a while. The Loom & Leaf mattress is best compared to a mid-range Tempur-pedic (just looking at specs), but ends up being a fraction of the cost. Overall the mattress is very comfortable (if you like the traditional memory foam feel), I enjoyed sleeping on the mattress, but I'm most impressed by the value. Overall this mattress is definitely in my top tier of recommendations.
Comfort4.8
Support4.9
Value (Price)4.7
Doesn't Sleep Hot4.5
Motion Transfer5
Edge Support4.1
Materials/Durability4.8
Company Reputation4.7
Return Policy/Warranty4.8
Overall Sleep Experience4.7

Overall

For me, the Loom and Leaf is a great value. It is well constructed from quality materials, making for a comfortable, yet durable investment.

As a side sleeper, the Relaxed Firm mattress met my needs well. However, if you are more of a back or stomach sleeper, I would look to the Firm model or another firmer mattress.

Loom and Leaf offers free white glove delivery, a 120-day sleep trial, and a 15-year warranty.

Joe Auer

Joe is the editor of Mattress Clarity. When he isn't testing sleep products, he enjoys working out, reading, and playing classical piano.

Blog Comments

Does the Loom and Leaf mattress have significant off-gassing? We were provided the tempurpedic cloud to replace our old tempurpedic, but there is so much off-gassing, i feel I am getting ill, I am looking to replace my mattress, even though my husband loves his and is not affected by the off-gassing. Also, does the Loom & Leaf have different firmness lovels? Your response would be appreciated. M. Kaufman

There is no off-gassing with Loom and Leaf at all. To me, that’s one of the selling points. You can see the 2 comfort levels here https://www.loomandleaf.com/comfort-levels.html. Hope that helps.

We just had our L&L relaxed firm queen size mattress delivered yesterday. Because we expected no off-gassing (combined with use of plant-based materials, a major reason for our purchase), it was a shock to note a fairly pungent smokey/chemical smell emanating from the mattress. We opened up our room, which has allowed the smell to dissipate a bit, but it’s presence made us wonder if there was something wrong either with the manufacture of our mattress or the storage just prior to delivery. L&L has been very helpful/supportive in arranging for a replacement, but we are now back to at least a few days sleeping on an old double bed until we feel comfortable enough to use the current L&L while awaiting it’s replacement. Do people really find NO artificial smells emanating from their L&L mattresses? We have not previously owned mattresses liable to off-gassing, so don’t really know what that is like, but the descriptions and reviews of this mattress did not prepare us for our current experience.

Quick update. Smell on mattress continued and does not seem to be like anything we have read about in customer reviews so I think this is likely an unusual situation. Regardless, we were not ready to take another chance via a replacement and L&L has been extremely helpful and accommodating in processing our return and arranging for pick-up.

I could not detect any off-gassing at all and neither could my wife. She has the nose of a bloodhound. We bought the firmest level king size mattress. Neither of us like a soft mattress. It’s true, with the firmest model you sleep more on top of the mattress and not in it. In that respect it feels more like a high quality innerspring once you’ve settled down on it.

How is the edge support of this mattress?

If you set very close to the edge it will compress more than a quality innerspring (all memory foam mattresses do this). I would guess about a 1-1.5 inches more than an innerspring. However, this has not bothered me (my wife and I have always owned innerspring mattresses, this is our first memory foam) and my wife actually likes it better because she’s a little short-legged (she’s 5’2″ and I’m 6′).

Nest Alexander or Loom & Leaf (king size)? I have narrowed down to these two……..

I too was curious about the Alexander vs. the Loom & Leaf. Patrick, what did you finally decide on?
Joe, any comments to help compare the differences and similarities of these two? Thx in advance.

The specs are quite similar between the two and the price is really great for each. I really like both mattresses and can’t make a definite one is definitely better than the other pick.

So, I have looked at the tempurpedic cloud supreme breeze and cloud elite. How would you compare the quality of this loom and leaf mattress with those? I am so ready for this new technology, but obviously do not want to overpay, yet at the same time really want to invest in a quality long lasting mattress! Thanks for your review and in advance for your response to this question.

The specs are pretty similar, but the price is so much less for the L&L. The L&L should last 10+ years (although it’s brand new so there’s not the benefit of years of owner experience data).

My wife and I also looked and laid on the two mattresses you mentioned. Liked them both, but they were pricey. On paper, the Loom and Leaf looked just as good perhaps even technically better, however the price was significantly lower. We took a chance on the Loom and Leaf and trusted in their return policy. After the first two weeks of sleeping on it, this mattress is staying. We are more than pleased. We’ve only owned the mattress a month now so I can’t comment on its long-term viability. At this point I have no buyer’s remorse.

My husband and I tried the I comfort serta efx aura series memory foam bed at a sleepys and liked it a lot. Do you think we would also like the loom and leaf relaxed firm?

I am confident you will. The L&L is thicker and uses higher-density memory foam, so it uses higher-quality materials in general. It should have the same general feel.

So we have had the IComfort and are looking at L&L, How do you think they compare?we loved the bed but time to replace.

I’m looking into the iComfort right now but don’t have enough experience with it just yet to make a full comparison. I’d hesitate to recommend going away from something you already know you like a lot. Having said that, L&L is a great mattress.

I gave this mattress 3 stars because of their good customer service. The mattress comes in two models, Relaxed Firm and Firm. I choose the Relaxed Firm and it was still felt like sleeping on a brick. The mattress was not soft at all nor had any “give” to adjust to my body. Being a side sleeper, I could never get comfortable. After my first complaint, their customer service sent a mattress topper but that still didn’t help. I finally returned the mattress because it was just not for me. However, I can say that they stick to their word about guaranteeing satisfaction and for a company today, that is a great.

Good to hear Charles, thanks!

My experience was similar. I had an original Tempurpedic bed for 13 years. I thought this would be comperable, but it does not have a memory foam feel at all. Feels like there might be some foam down there somewhere but it is covered with a thick quilted something or other. No sinking conforming feel. No low back support. My hips hurt like never before in my life. It might be half the price, but at this rate my medical bills will more than make up the difference! Back it goes…
They really shouldn’t be able to say this is comperable to Tempurpedic at all.

My wife is cold natured and is concerned the cooling gel will make her cold. I don’t like a hot mattress, but I don’t want her to be too cold either. Can you comment please? Thanks.

Hi Jeff,

No that shouldn’t be an issue. It should feel neutral in temperature.

I agree with Joe’s assessment. The mattress IS temperature neutral. We found that it does not get hot nor is it cold (my wife is cold-natured as well). No complaints at all regarding temperature.

Would like to know about the edge support of the Loom & Leaf memory foam mattress ?

I didn’t have any issues with the edge support and thought it was pretty decent overall.

If you are an edge sleeper (my wife is, I’m not), as you near the edge you will notice slightly more compression of the mattress. It did make her feel a little uncomfortable as she really used to hug the edge on our innerspring mattresses. She has backed away from the edge about 8 inches and everything is fine now. This is an aspect that is common to all memory foam mattresses.

I am looking into purchasing S-Cape Eastern King Adjustable Bed from Costco and purchasing two twin xl memory foam from L&L. Are they compatible? Thank you for your guidance. Esther

Should work, but double-check with someone on their live chat to be sure.

Have you completed your review of the Serta iComfort Visionary EFX Plush mattress? I can’t decide between this and the Loom&Leaf. I have seen the Serta in the store but can’t do that with the Loom&Leaf so I’m hesitant to go that direction.

I haven’t yet. I would say the free trial should make you less concerned about not trying the L&L out first. It makes the purchase pretty low-risk.

How does the L&L compare in quality and comfort with the Serta Iseries Honoree?

The Serta is a hybrid coil / memory foam, so it’s going to be a different feel from the L&L, which is just a pure memory foam mattress. Generally, the L&L will compare quite favorably to the Serta.

I’m a heavier sleeper (~235) with back pain, and it looks like the Loom & Leaf and Nest Alexander are two that have the best support heavy sleepers. Do you think one would be better than the other for that?

I can’t say I’d recommend one over the other for back pain. There’s so much that goes into what causes back pain that it’s hard to say how your mattress will affect it. Both of those options do have good support for heavier people IMO though.

My wife has a herniated disk in her back, which prompted us to look at mattresses better suited to providing back support (one of the reasons we opted to give Loom & Leaf a try). With her disk in its damaged condition, she could no longer sleep on our innerspring bed. She can sleep the entire night on the Loom & Leaf. I’m a big guy, 300 lbs, and while I don’t have a back problem the bed feels great to me. I used to wake up with a sore back (muscles) in the morning in our old bed. That issue has almost completely gone away now. About half the mornings I have no back pain what-so-ever, and those mornings I do, its not pain now, just a little “tweak” that quickly goes away.

Did you get the relaxed firm or firm?

This is relaxed firm.

You said that the Loom and Leaf is comparable to some of the “mid-range” Tempurpedic models. How would it compare if I were looking at the Cloud Luxe?

I still believe the L&L would compare favorably against the Cloud Luxe, especially when considering the difference in prices.

Is the firm a lot firmer than the “relaxed firm”?

I haven’t tried the firm personally, but I will say the relaxed firm is slightly firmer than I expected.

I have the “firm” mattress and Loom and Leaf rate their firm an “8” on a scale of 1-10. I have no experience with the “relaxed firm” so I can’t compare. I will say that if you try a Tempurpedic of the same rating (or close to it) the feel is comparable.

HI there! If you had to choose would you get this bed? My husband sleep super hot, will this make a huge difference? Would you choose the tempurpedic over this bed if money wasn’t an object? Thanks!!!

Yeah I would. It slept cool for me, so if that’s your main concern I would say go for it.

“Huge difference”, probably not. “Noticeable difference”, probably yes. However, I will say the mattress does a fabulous job of heat dissipation. It truly sleeps temperature neutral. I could have and would have bought the top-of-the-line tempurpedic had I thought it was what we needed. I have no complaints against the tempurpedic, it is a quality product. After analyzing a boat-load of beds from the major manufacturers and the on-line stores the Loom & Leaf kept coming up as a real contender. I felt compelled to “roll the dice” and give it a try as I could always get my money back or order something else from them if I didn’t like it. For me, we hit the jackpot. The quality of the construction, materials used, technology employed I felt were every bit as good (maybe better in some areas) than the tempurpedic, for about 1/3 the cost. I tried both beds, they are both great; I would have been happy with either of them. However, the value I received for the Loom & Leaf just could not be ignored.

I returned my Loom and Leaf mattress because it slept so hot. It’s only cool at first then your body heats it up and you are stuck in a heat sink. No memory foam for me ever again.

Sorry it didn’t work out for you Annette! What did you end up getting?

“You can just send it back.” Hmm. Doesn’t sound very user-friendly or cost-effective to me. Other companies, like Lull, will come and pick it up. That makes more sense to me, especially after watching the YouTube videos about how these mattresses morph into a much bigger thing than what was in the packing box.

Hi Elizabeth – my apologies on the wording, I don’t mean literally pack it up and send it back, rather just return it. I believe Loom & Leaf handles the process the same way that Lull and other companies do.

You still have to pay for a $99 delivery fee which is nonrefundable if you decide not to keep it.

Hi Bex – yes this is true, thank you for clarifying!

Do you pay the $99 again to ship it back if you dont like it ?

No you do not – but you will not be refunded the original shipping fee, just the cost of the mattress.

I am purchasing a mattress for a summer camp. The mattress will be stored in below freezing temperatures in winter. I am concerned about how this will affect the gel layer. Do you know if it will withstand freezing and slow thawing each spring? How can I find out?

Tough question – I’m not sure about that myself, honestly I think the effect would be more on the foam than the gel. I’m not sure that even Loom & Leaf would have a great answer for you, but I’d give them a try first!

I see a lot about the Loom & Leaf being good for people on the heavier side, what about people on the lighter size (120)? I would like some sinkage so was wondering since its has the denser foam if I would still sink some or just be on the top of it with no sinkage. Thanks!

Hi Maria – there is not a ton of sinkage with Loom & Leaf, so even less sinkage for a lighter person. I’d consider the least firm option if you go with them and want a little sinkage.

We purchased a Tuft and Needle mattress, but I don’t sink enough – it’s too firm. Do you have any idea how the softer mattress from L&L compares to t&n? I’m hoping it’s softer. The combined weight for hubby and me is about 280lbs. I’m thinking about trying the L&L soft mattress. The extended trial periods for both these companies (75 and 100 nights) is really the only way to make sure you’re getting the right mattress.

Tuft & Needle is actually quite firm (relatively), the L&L soft will be significantly softer.

Does the foam “gas out”? does it have a strong chemical smell?

Hi Mark – this mattress does not come compressed, so there is no off-gassing (in my experience).

I experienced no off-gassing what-so-ever. No chemical smell at all! I could have slept on this bed immediately after it was unpackaged.

I read your comments about the Novosbed Mattress and Look & Leaf. I love the feel of memory foam. I am left a little confused. I saw your video on the Novosbed mattress and you stated it was just right for people who like the feel of memory foam yet your review of Loom and Leaf states it has the real feel of aTempurPedic mattress. Which one is really meant for memory foam lovers who sleep on their side?

Hi Veronica – both provide a very high-quality memory foam feel. For side sleepers, I would just go with a less-firm option for either.

I thought I was convinced that my husband and I would be getting the FIRM mattress, as we do like firm. However, after reading these reviews I am having second thoughts. We never owned a memory foam. Is it true that we will just stay on top of it with no sinking in? To me that seems like it would be bad on the back if it didn’t conform at all to your body. We both do sleep on our sides sometimes too. It’s scary ordering online and spending so much money on a new company, but for some reason I really want to try this!! Any thoughts?

Hi Lisa – you will certainly sink in a little with the comfort/support tradeoff. I’m just saying the feeling is generally sleeping on the bed, rather than in the bed (as is the feeling with some softer foams/pillow tops).

My wife and I prefer some firmness to our mattresses as well. We ordered the king-size in firm and got exactly what we wanted. The mattress absolutely will conform to your body shape, you just don’t sink in as deeply as with a softer memory foam. I’m around 300 lbs and I’m estimating probably sink in about 2.5 inches at my hips and about 1.25 inches at my shoulders (I’m going to have to get actual measurements sometime as this is a common question I get asked). I myself am a side-sleeper, and I have no issues with this position on this bed. Occasionally I’ll sleep on my back, no problem here either. Surprise to me, I rarely ever used to sleep on my stomach and now I find I like that position as well. I had your same concerns about trying a mattress I couldn’t test from a relatively new company. It is a new business model for bedding, but everything turned out OK. Would do it again.

Is the Loom & Leaf good for those with back pain. My husband and I are looking for something firm, yet comfortable. Thank you

Hi Michele! I don’t recommend a mattress “for back pain” specifically, but of course you’re going to want great support and comfort. In my opinion, L&L delivers on both of those requirements.

The mattress has helped both me and my wife with back pain. When we’re lying in the bed, no pain at all. She experiences some discomfort when getting out of the bed in the morning, but that is due to a herniated disk that has not yet healed. My “back pain” is just a little muscle soreness in my lower back when getting out of bed in the morning. About 50% of the time I have no soreness at all when I get up. The rest of the time there is a bit of mild discomfort that quickly goes away. Our old mattress was a true torture rack in the morning. My lower back would really experience not soreness but unequivocal muscle pain in the morning when I would get up. Absolutely grateful that is now gone.

My husband and I just bought the L&L medium firm mattress. I have significant back problems herniated disc’s and arthritis in my hips. I am not sure we bought the right firmness for my conditions. I noticed your post and was wondering if the firmer mattress would be better for me? Is the firmer mattress too firm? Can you advise please?

Hello, is there a bed I can test at wg&r or Mattress firm that would be comparable to L&L?

I would look at the mid-range Tempurpedic models.

How do you feel the L & L compares to the Helix mattress?

The main differences: L&L has more of a traditional luxury memory foam feel, while Helix has a little more spring to it. You can personalize Helix, but Loom and Leaf has multiple firmness options. Decent difference in price as well. Both great picks though!

Hi! I ordered the Leesa but found it was too soft for me. Now I’m considering ordering the Loom and Leaf but am not sure whether I should order the Relaxed Firm or the Firm. Can you compare the Leesa to the Loom and Leaf in softness? (I have slept on a memory foam mattress from Design Within Reach at my mom’s house that I love, but even though it is their firm style, it is quite old at this point so not sure how firm it still is)

Hi Emily – firmness is a little subjective, but in my experience the Loom and Leaf Relaxed firm is firmer than the Leesa. So if the Leesa was close, but just a little too soft, I think the L&L relaxed firm would be the place to start.

Hello, I have been sleeping on loom & leaf relaxed firm for a couple days now and i have this nagging feeling that I am sinking in more than I should. Especially it’s worse with sitting on the bed to read something or watching TV.
Would you suggest i exchange it for a firm model? I am trying to research online but looks like there is not much information to find.

Hi Sam – I wouldn’t say there is a “should” sink in, but if you don’t like the feel, definitely switch out for the firm. I would give it at least a few weeks of sleeping though, the mattress feel will change a little bit during the first month – though usually it will get slightly softer, not firmer.

Hello Sam and Joe,

I have been reading your post and reviews on Loom and Leaf to find out if anyone is having the issue I am having. I slept on my brother’s loom and leaf and loved it. I researched and looked and ordered my first one in June, 2016. I am now on my 3rd due to the to cloth where my mid-body hits on the first two (and some other places) bunched up, gathered the cotton and made dips. Customer Service is Awesome. But…..! I am on my third mattress, had for two weeks now (FIRM) my weight is Not an issue. The third one is already began the same thing. If this is happening to me, I can’t be the only one. Sam ! I wonder if this is what was happening with you. I love my Loom and Leaf Mattress feel. But I can’t see what it would be in 6 months if it is this way now ! HELP ! I can’t find answers from anyone or reviews except 2 others on Amazon where they had reviewed Loom and Leaf.

Do you anything about how this mattress will hold up over time?

Hi Cathy – the mattress has only been available for one year at this point, so no actual anecdotal results to share. However, the density of the foam suggests that the mattress should hold up well.

My husband & I have been trying the Loom and Leaf Relaxed Firm for 3 weeks now. We want to love it. We like the quality of the materials, that it doesn’t sleep hot and that it didn’t come in box (least important). But it is too firm. I wake up with major hip pain and my husband has back pain. We have not has a good night sleep since we got it. We are slightly on the heavy side, is there a mattress that you recommended; that has the same quality our higher that cradles the pressure points more? The only type of mattress we don’t want is innerspring. Also, what do you think of the Zenhaven? Is it just a firm feeling? Thank you for any help you can provide.

Hi Holli – the L&L will get a bit softer as you “break it in”, I’d give it a full month before definitely pulling the trigger. I would reach out to L&L as well, sometimes they will send a topper to add to the mattress. But at that point if still too firm, I’d probably take a look at Novosbed. Also a high quality memory foam mattress, but has a little more option when it comes to firmness.

Do you know if Loom and Leaf recently changed the design of the top of their mattress? I just received my mattress this week, and it looks nothing like the pictures in your review or any other pictures I’ve seen online. The sewn-in diamonds you see on your mattress are much closer together on mine and there are probably three times as many. They cause about 150 circles, about 6 inches in diameter each, in between the diamonds, and the circles are raised off of the surface of the mattress. When I lay on the mattress, I can feel each of the circles underneath me. My body feels like it lays on top of the circles instead of sinking in slightly to the mattress. I’m wondering if this is a new design or a design flaw with my mattress. I called Loom and Leaf but the customer service rep had no idea what I was talking about and could only say “because they are handsewn, each mattress may look slightly different.” As I mentioned, this is more than a slight difference to any of the other pictures I’ve seen. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

Hi Clay – very strange! Some mattress companies will update their mattress with subtle changes over time (usually incorporating customer feedback), but I haven’t heard any announcements from Loom & Leaf. I will definitely keep an eye out!

Joe,
The Loom and Leaf did change the cover topping in the Spring of 2016. I was told it was to show the lumbar region. I am not sure what the real reason was but It seem’s this is causing issue’s with gathering , dipping and loose topping.

Clay,
I am wondering the same thing. My brother and sister in law bought their’s July 2015. Same manufacturer in Greenville, SC. I ordered mine June, 2016 (1 st one) I am now on my 3rd. The round circles are not sewn , loose thread, loose top causing gathering of the cotton underneath. I asked the same question to a Representative (Supervisor). I was told that didn’t manufacturers sewn differently. Not correct. I am very confused now, I love the feel of Loom and Leaf, but can’t live with the loose top, gathering cotton and bunching where I lay. They have had to change something to make this happen. Customer Service is Awesome. But I want my Mattress to BE AS AWESOME to Last ! Please someone respond if they have or having the same issue ! I am stuck wondering what to do !!! Go with Saavta ? Or the Latex Brand of this Company. If my brother and other’s he know’s that ordered when they first began and hasn’t had any issue I wound not believe in this Company. I have seen and experienced how great the Mattress feels and his is over a year old. No issues !

Just received my Loof and Leaf relaxed firm. I really like it. I put my old mattress pad on it. I don’t like that. Does this mattress need a mattress pad or protector and what would you recommend? Thanks.

Glad you found one you like Susan! It doesn’t need a protector, but can benefit from a mattress protector like any other mattress can. I haven’t tried any myself, so sorry no recommendations on brands!

Although it doesn’t particularly need it, I always think it is a good investment to put a mattress protector on. We installed the Protect-A-Bed Allerzip Smooth bed protector and I really like the specifications of it: waterproof, asthma and allergy friendly, and bed-bug proof. I’m impressed with the product. Did not install a mattress pad.

Definitely agreed, a mattress protector can extend the life of a mattress for sure.

All of the reviews I have read talk about how cool the L&L mattress sleeps. But it seems that they are saying “it sleeps very cool, for a foam mattress”. How does it compare to a traditional mattress? Sleeping cool is really important to me so I have been thinking of getting a Saatva. I haven’t seen too many reviews that comment on how cool the L&L sleeps compared directly to a good coil or hybrid mattress. Thanks for the great review.

Hi Ian! Innersprings generally will sleep cooler than memory foam, and in this case I think Saatva definitely sleeps cooler than Loom and Leaf.

I have slept on innerspring mattresses my whole life until I got the L&L. One of my concerns is that I did not want to sleep hot (common complaint about memory foam mattresses), but I wanted the back support that a memory gel foam mattress offers. L&L claims to have solved the sleeping hot issue, and I believe they have. Both me and my wife, no heat issues what-so-ever. As far as I could tell, temperature-wise it felt no different from the innerspring mattresses I’ve experienced in the past.

I alternate between sleeping on my front and back, occasionally my side (but not often). Do you think the Leesa or the Loom & Leaf would be more comfortable for me?

Both are good options for multiple sleeping positions, I think your feel preference should really determine between these two. Leesa has more “bounce” to the foam, while L&L has more slow-moving memory foam.

Hi Joe,
I have tried T&N and Leesa. I have returned both due to developing shoulder pain while sleeping on my side. I’m looking into Loom and Leaf and Brooklyn Bedding. Any recommendations? Im about 180lbs.

Hi Steve – sounds like you may need a softer mattress? The L&L relaxed-firm is pretty average firmness. It worked great for me sleeping on my side, but if you want something softer, maybe consider the soft Brooklyn Bedding model.

We purchased a loom and leaf relaxed firm after exhausting research and are very disappointed. We like the feeling of the tempur cloud breeze which is their comparison and it is nothing like that mattress. We are not sure which to go with now and considering novos. Any suggestions?

Hi Penny – sorry to hear that? What exactly do you not like about L&L? Novosbed has some differences, but many similarities to L&L as well (overall I really like Novosbed).

I don’t know whether to get the LL firm or relaxed.
How does the relaxed firm LL feel, support and sink compare to the Alexander Signature medium which I tried. How does the LL
Firm compare to the Alexander firm as well.
Thanks, Victor

Hi Victor! So I’ve personally only tried L&L relaxed firm – I’d say it’s slightly firmer than the Alexander Signature medium. Generally I say go with the medium version of each, unless you know you really prefer a firm mattress.

So many choices!! I’m liking the specs & leaning toward the L&L… and have also studied Helix, Leesa, Casper and T&N. But I think I’m in a pickle because I am a serious combo of 50/50 stomach & side-sleeper. So I’m afraid to go with a firm choice (as is recommended for stomach-sleeping) because firmness isn’t advised for side-sleepers. And when I say “side”, I mean “fetal-ball”. What would you think is a smart compromise mattress for me? (5′ 10″, 140lbs) Thank you!

Hi Vanessa! Out of those you mentioned, the best for sleeping in all positions have been Leesa and Loom & Leaf (relaxed firm).

I have had my L&L relaxed firm for about 3 wks now. I read all the questions with your answers. I wanted to add my thoughts on some things . The mattress does give off some sort of smell I guess some people call it off gassing. Some people c/o In there reviews on other websites about this. I really feel the smell will fade in time. The mattress is more firm than the temper pedic cloud lux. It is suppose to be comparable; It is much firmer It has not completely cured my back ache, but I am the problem not the bed. It feels good to me I just have correct my posture while I sleep. over all I am a satisfied customer so far.

Hi Renee, thank you for sharing your experience! I actually slept on the Loom & Leaf longer than usual (about a month), and I found it to get softer throughout the entire month. Would love to hear your thoughts after another 1-2 weeks.

If you’re still having back pain, I’d also investigate the pillows – that is a big source of misalignment as well for some.

Hi Joe
I am still deciding between a Lull and Loom and Leaf relaxed firm mattress. I’ve read the reviews etc and done the online ‘chats’ with Loom and Leaf. I understand the policies for return etc. My question that was not answered by either company… What do both companies do with the mattresses returned by customers? Is there any chance that one of those mattresses returned would be re-packaged and sold to me? I am very concerned about that because I have seen traditional mattresses sold in the ‘clearance/discount’
furniture companies with special labels so you know they were ‘returned’ mattresses. With the increased problems with bedbugs in hotels, housing etc, I am very concerned about this issue. Thanks for your help.

Hi Sue – I believe it is actually illegal to sell a returned mattress, so I wouldn’t worry about it. Most of the time they will have a local person pick it up, either for donation or trash. So the real concern is waste (if you decide you don’t want it), not getting a used mattress in the first place. That is the policy for the online guys anyway, I’m not sure what’s in the “clearance/discount” section of traditional retailers – though I assume the same rules apply.

I have read that even if you “return” a Loom and Leaf mattress, it doesn’t actually go back to them. They will donate the mattress, usually to a local charity.

Yes I believe that is correct.

Hello Joe,

Thanks for this review of the Loom and Leaf. Would you recommend the L&L Relaxed Firm for a stomach sleeper? I sleep with a partner on a queen size sealy posturpedic plush pillow top mattress right now. We like it fairly soft, so I’m a bit concerned that the L&L relaxed firm mattress will be a bit too stiff. What do you think?
My wife and I are looking into a L&L King size relaxed firm model.
Also, you mentioned that the relaxed firm mattress is comparable to a “mid range tempurpedic.” Which tempurpedic model specifically would you compare it to?

Hi Marcus – Normally I would recommend a firm mattress for a stomach sleeper, so I would say that L&L is not firm – but relative to a plush pillow top, it will probably feel more firm to you. I don’t compare it specifically to a model, but that’s more a general statement considering the feel and foams.

I got the Brooklyn Bedding firm a few days ago. It is like sleeping on a cloud and I love it. However I suffer from chronic lower back pain which comes and goes periodically, and it’s been acting up since I got the bed. That being said, in the last week I also started a new job (with a new chair that isn’t great), moved (packing, unpacking, lifting), and spent a few days on a futon before my new bed arrived. I am going to give it more time to see if the mattress is actually making my back worse, or if it is just acting up now due to a number of factors. However if the BB does not work out for me and my back pain does not go away, I am considering the Loom and Leaf firm as an alternative. I would describe myself as a side sleeper but I am somwhere in between side and stomach (this picture perfectly shows how I sleep! http://totillowdeepsleep.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/SideStomachSleeper.jpg) and I have always preferred a firm mattress. The firmer the better.

In sum: What are your thoughts on the BB firm vs. LL firm, particularly for lower back pain?

Thanks for the sleeping pic, one of my favorite positions as well haha! Generally I think of that more as side-sleeping, since you’re going to need pressure relief on the hips. I think that Brooklyn Bedding should be a good option for you – but it’s all about your body composition, sleeping position, and how it ends up aligning. Normally I’d say it’s a good option for you, but if it ends up not working out, I think L&L would be a good option as well.

Big thing to consider with this sleeping position is the pillow as well – make sure it’s a pretty flat pillow, if it’s too thick a pillow it could put that crimp in your lower back and cause pain.

I’m a very tall, 260 lbs, usually side (sometimes back) sleeper with lower back pain who likes to sleep near the edge of the bed and to feel support contoured to my body, without sinking in like quicksand. My wife is about 115 lbs and prefers sleeping on very firm beds on her back mostly (sometimes side), and really doesn’t like the feeling of sinking into memory foam. I’ve read that side sleepers should avoid super firm beds, but also that heavy guys like me might need a firm for support. We want to avoid some of the chemical exposure that seems to come with memory foams. We’ve been thinking about Loom and Leaf in a Firm if it doesn’t sink too much, or Saatva in a firm, or a firm latex maybe. Any suggestions for us? Thank you!! Absolutely love your site!

Hi Garret – thanks for the kind words! At 260 lbs I’d say firm is a good option, you’ll sink in more so a firm bed might feel more medium-firm for you. As for Loom & Leaf and Saatva – both beds I really like, very similar in terms of quality, it really just comes down to your preference for memory foam vs innerspring. You mentioned sinking in and chemical smell – both of these would not be an issue with Loom & Leaf firm (it is not delivered compressed, so the smell is very minimal if there’s any at all).

well now im confused more then ever LOL what would be the best foam mattress for a heavier sleeper who likes some hug rather then sleep on top of the mattress but also needs support. off gassing is not welcome due to severe chemical sensitivies

Garret, I’m 6 feet tall, 300 lbs. My wife is 5’2″ and weighs, well, more than 115. I’m primarily a side sleeper, she is primarily a stomach sleeper. We both prefer a firm mattress over a soft. We ordered the L&L firm mattress in King size. We are both pleased with the firmness and feel of this mattress. This is our first memory foam mattress, having owned innerspring mattresses all of our lives. The two biggest adjustments we have had to make to the memory foam are: 1) My wife was an extreme edge sleeper. With the L&L, she had to back away from the edge about 8 inches. As she neared the edge the mattress would compress to where she was no longer lying level and felt like she might roll off (this is a common experience with all memory foam mattresses). 2) The L&L is a “slow-response” memory foam mattress. Once you get on the mattress it begins to conform to the contours of your body. If you change positions it takes about 40 seconds for it to totally un-compress the foam where you were laying, and to complete re-contouring to your body in the new position. Again this is a common attribute of memory foam mattresses. For me it was not an issue at all, it’s just the way a good memory foam mattress responds. As to chemical smell, neither my wife or I detected any smell at all after removing it from it’s package. As to sinking, I estimate I sink about 2.5″ at the hips and 1.25″ at the shoulders. At 115 lbs, I don’t think your wife is going to get hardly any sinkage at all if you order a firm mattress. As to lower back pain, my wife has a herniated disc in her back. She could not sleep on our old innerspring mattress, but can sleep through the night on our L&L. I used to wake in the mornings with severe muscle pain in my lower back on our old innerspring mattress. On the L&L I wake with no back pain about 50% of the time, and very mild discomfort the rest of the time that quickly goes away. While lying on the bed we feel no pain or discomfort. By the way, this is not a condemnation of innerspring mattresses. Our’s was shot and needed replacement anyway. Had I not been happy with the L&L, I would have kept it for our guest room and re-ordered a SAATV innerspring mattress. I really liked their design and of course the price was way more competitive than buying a brand name from a big box store.

Can you use a heated mattress pad with the Loom and Leaf gel mattress? And is the memory foam mattress eventually going to get body sagging areas like every other mattress? Thank you!

Hi Elizabeth – heated mattress pad should be fine. Every memory foam mattress will sag, it’s just a question of when ;). Loom & Leaf has high density foams, so I expect that the mattress will hold up better than most memory foam mattresses over time.

I”m considering the L&L as a new mattress. What do you recommend from the foundation standpoint? How much does using their foundation matter and what size do you recommend?

Hi Melissa – as long as you have a sturdy foundation that distributes the weight well, it shouldn’t matter. L&L has a nice foundation, but I think you would pay the slightly higher price more for an aesthetic match rather than mattress performance.

How would you compare this to a Helix? Thanks!

For a very quick comparison:

L&L is memory foam feel VS Helix latex-like feel

L&L is slow moving foam VS Helix has more spring

L&L ~$1k for a queen VS Helix ~$800 for a queen

L&L sleeps a little warmer VS Helix sleeps a little cooler

I weight about 140 lb and my wife about 115. We are interested in either the Loom & Leaf relaxed firm or the Brentwood Home Bamboo Gel 13. Do you have an opinion on the Brentwood model and how do the 2 compare?
Thanks.

Hi Larry – biggest starting point would be the price difference there, pretty significant. I think L&L is a higher quality memory foam option, though much more expensive. Note I think the Bamboo Gel 13 is a great mattress, tremendous value, just not as luxurious an option so hard to compare.

2 questions, we are looking at the ashley furniture 12 series, but have found no reviews for it and it looks like the L&L would be a great option as we like the TP Luxe, but the price is way to much for us. So my questions are do you know how the Ashley may compare? Also can we use our old box spring for the L&L? It’s about 8 years old. Thanks.

Hi David! Sorry I haven’t tested the Ashley.

Hello Joe,
I have a Loom and Leaf Firm mattress. I ordered in June, 2016. I had an issue with the top and gathering of the cotton/underneath bunching and making dips within 2 weeks. I am now on my 3rd. I have had it two weeks and it also has began the same.

Question: I read your reviews and seen two people that may have a similar issue. One said dipping. Have you had other’s that had this issue ?

Clay had asked if the top of the mattress had changed……I think this is the issue in some way. I can’t have gotten Three bad Mattress !!! My bed is very stable and exceeds Loom and Leaf requirements.. I even asked If I could or the bed could cause the issue. I was told No ! It was a fluke. I just want to know if there are others having this experience. I love the Loom and Leaf mattress . Except for the loose topping, gathering cotton and dipping within weeks. What would it be in 6 months ? Any Help would be greatly appreciated !
Kelly

Ouch. I am on the verge of buying a Loom and Leaf after my Temp mattress. Now I may have doubts. That bunching or whatever it is sounds bad. I do hope you receive an answer soon as I will try my best to follow this — wishing you luck and the best with your mattress.

I’ve had my Loom and Lead Queen for about a month and it’s starting to bunch and has a dip where I sleep. Seems unacceptable for a mattress of this stated quality and price. Perhaps it is because of the change of the design for the top of the mattress as the divots are much closer?

Can you use an adjustable bed base with this mattress? Thanks!

Yes you can.

I think I am going to try the loom and leaf. What firmness level do you suggest for a side sleeper, heavy set.

Hi Kathy – I would go with the medium-firm.

My wife and I are looking into purchasing a new mattress. We have never slept on a memory foam mattress. My question (other than price), what would be the comparison of an L&L to a Sleep Number mattress? If you had to choose, with money not a concern, what would be your choice?

Thanks

Hi Rob – I haven’t (officially) reviewed Sleep Number, so I don’t have the best comparison for you. However it’s definitely a very unique feel, and really not comparable to the memory foam feel. I would check out a Sleep Number in person and see if you like the feel, then check out a store with memory foam to compare.

I see a few people have asked you about the new design bunching up and you you failed to answer any of them like a politician. That sends a red flag up to me. I have been considering buying this mattress but now I don’t know.

I wonder if I’m a Republican, Democrat, or Independent when it comes to mattresses haha?!

But seriously – I didn’t have that experience myself, so I don’t have much to add. I’m always rotating mattresses, but I gave my L&L to a friend down the street and did check in on it this week – no bunching. I always invite readers to come back and leave comments, because they may have had experiences (and definitely preferences) different than mine.

Thank you for such a thorough review. After having slept on a Tempurpedic for more years than I can imagine I had to replace my mattress last year and the Tempur I have know I do not like so I am looking for something new. The Loom and Leaf sounds like a great one to try. One of the problems I have is “hot” sleeping so the cool gel stuff sounds good to me. I can’t imagine any site being more detailed than yours but I have to ask if there are anymore resources I can use before I make my final decision on my purchase? Again, thanks for the fantastic review site.

Hate to bother again but a quick question please — I tend to sleep “hot” and need a cool mattress (which I have really yet to find) — looking at the L&L or the Helix — your opinion please (or is there another comparable mattress I need to be looking at — I use and adjustable base – health issues – medium/firm and as I said cool or cold if possible) —- thanks so much for any help you can give me. I hope to get a good mattress this time without spending 2500 or more —- the 1000 price range looks good

Hi Richard – L&L is great at sleeping cool for a memory foam mattress, but other types of mattresses generally will sleep cooler if you’re very sensitive to heat.

Strange, I’m a cold-natured person and I was waken up to a burning sensation on my back which I’d never experienced before (I’m a back sleeper).

I didn’t have a good sleep initially for the 1st week, but then it got better after other than the heat on my back woke me up in the middle of the night sometimes. I had to switch to sleeping on the side. Even my husband says it’s warm, too warm sometimes, no wonder he doesn’t sleep on his back anymore.

Don’t get me wrong, I really love this L&L Relaxed Firm Mattress, it gives me a very good support I needed, but now I’m thinking of returning it now…

Maybe L&L uses different materials for different orders, mine was order end of July, 2016.

I am seriously considering Amerisleep Colonial or the Loom and Leaf Relaxed Firm and/or the Nest Alexander Signature series. What is your favorite out of the three? My husband and I are in our early 50s and sleep mostly on our sides. Weighing 140 and 170. Thanks for your input.

Was about to buy a Tempur-pedic but having read your review we have ordered a Loom and Leaf instead. Thanks..

Have narrowed our search to the L&L or the Amerisleep. We are both tall heavy set and have sore backs and shoulders at various times. Which would you chose? Thanks Joe!

Another SCAM to make you think it’s NON TOXIC! I am taking the time to write a review because I am sick and tired of the way Company’s like this market their products into thinking they are good for you while the hide the Chemicals in their products! They should be out of business with their questionable morals.
I had contacted the Company in writing via instant messaging and found out that yes they do provide an organic cotton cover however only the top 5 inches out of the entire 12 inch bed is composed out of supposedly a corn and soy based cooling memory foam the rest of the foam and the bed is made out of POLYURETHANE which does off gas and has been linked to cancer. ONLY the top five inches of the bed as they claim to be natural but and does not off-gas the rest of the beds will continue to off gas with toxic Chemicals. Buyer beware, do your homework and stay away from anything that has memory foam in it I suggest a natural organic latex bed.

Great review Joe ! We have had our L&L for a year now, and it is very good. We had a memory foam bed from Angel beds for 8 years, and you sunk into it like a featherbed (really liked that) but felt it was time to replace it. The medium L&L was still a little hard for my tastes (my wife liked it though – a firmer mattress was the main reason I replaced) but we added a queen size wool topper, that made the difference. Would higher recommend this solution. Go with a firmer bed that will probably last longer, and top it with foam or thick wool and you get the best of both worlds for significantly less than Temper P.

A lot of online retailers are fueled by venture capital and/or are startups. If they go belly up, I’m guessing the warranty can’t be honored, right? Is that the “company” rating that you added to each review?

Hi Derrill – newer companies are definitely a lower “company” rating, in part to reflect some of that risk. Though note for me it’s not a very scientific process!

Can we use our existing box spring to support the mattress?

I am particularly concerned about low back pain. How does this mattress work in preventing low back pain? Also, I am a side sleeper and sometimes get hip pain.

How would you compare Leesa and Loom & Leaf medium? I’m a side sleeper/sometimes on my back. My husband is a stomach/side sleeper. We are currently sleeping on an older Stearns and Foster with a 2″ foam pad. I do get hip and shoulder pain. Thanks.

My wife likes the softness of the Temprupedic cloud elite. Would the Loom & Leaf medium firm be comparable? The L&L says to be 5 to 6 rating. I can’t find any ratings for the Temprupedic Cloud Elite the same way.

Hey Chris – it would be a decent comparison for a much less-expensive mattress. What do you mean by the ratings?

We have the Leesa Martha Schumacher. My wife loves it, she’s a slide sleeper and about 110 lbs. I’m 220 and sleep on my stomach, I’m having some low back pain and i’m not sure if its a touch too soft or maybe not enough support for a bigger fellow. On the other hand the Leesa is a really nice mattress constructed very well. I’m also interested in his response.

Hi Joe! I’m hoping you can give me your opinion: so far my research is leading me toward loom and leaf. I am 5’2 130 lb and I sleep VERY hot, side sleeper, bad hip and low back pain. My fiancé is 6′ 185 and had back surgery a year and a half ago so he has back pain also. I don’t wanna feel “sunk” or too cradled but really think we both need amazing back/hip support. What would you suggest?! Thanks!

Hi Melanie – L&L is great, but if you sleep very hot, you may want to consider latex instead of memory foam.

Ok good to know -what’s your favorite latex?

Check out my best latex mattress page!

Hi-I was wondering how this mattress compares to the sterns and foster estate hustonville-firm. That mattress is not totally all memory foam but is this one similar?

Hi Carol – I haven’t tried much from the Stearns & Foster line, but hoping to this year!

Ratings on side sleeping comfort would be helpful. My wife and I are both back and side sleepers.

This review is nothing more than a morning after thought about the first night sleeping in our new Loom & Leaf relaxed firm mattress.
Fifteen years ago I purchased a 5 lb. 4.5″ top layered foam mattress online. For almost two years leading up to Dec 2016 I have been contemplating needing a new mattress. I was having night sweat issues at times which I blamed on Raynaud’s. My wife and I called this mattress a butter bed, but in these past few years I’ve noticed some sporadic aches and pains upon waking up. I’d blame it on my running. But I finally ramped up the search so I could pull the trigger on a new mattress.
Fifteen years ago I believed buying a mattress from a store was a waste of time. 5 minutes, 1/2 hour, whatever in a store…bed testing in a store is useless. You need to use the bed in it’s natural and intended purpose – to sleep on. So I bought online having a couple of months in house tryout, and if returned only cost is original shipping. I was fine with that. I researched foam density, firmness, various product reviews, and made my choice.
I did the same thing this time. I actually played the game again and went to a few stores to test mattresses. It was nothing but a waste of time. So I began researching. From Consumer Reports to online, I researched. From my standpoint my choice was all about balancing online reviews to actual specifications I was looking for. Based on our happiness with our prior mattress, I wanted 5 lb foam at the top, preferably 4.5″ which was the previous mattress memory foam layer. My wife is allergic to latex, so any mattress with latex was immediately eliminated. I learned about cooling technology and that was a consideration based on my recent sweating. My old mattress had a spring layer, but that wasn’t a necessity for this purchase. I wanted a firm enough foam mattress that I believed would last at least 10 years before feeling any instance of breakdown on comfort and support, yet the butter bed feeling was something my wife & I both liked.
I learned about many companies I had not previously known during my research. The new knowledge was because I wasn’t really looking for a mattress until now and had no need to keep up with the mattress world. The CPA came out in me, and I become knowledgeable about what I was about to purchase. Saatva came up in my research, a relatively young player in the mattress world. As a CPA, I really liked the business model of exclusively online purchasing. Just like I felt 15 years ago, buying a mattress in a store just isn’t useful in my opinion, nor in Saatva’s. That was important to me. I didn’t care for any comparisons to Temperpedic, because I wrote them off a long time ago de to inflated prices on name only. My choice came down to the relaxed firm Loom & Leaf.
The mattress was professionally delivered, and setup to the movers was a snap. I chose to go to TJ Maxx and get a mattress pad/protector. As beautiful as the Loom & Leaf looks, I like to take care of my important things. SInce on average we spend 1/3 of our lives in bed, this is a majorly important purchase, and protection is key.
When I woke up this morning, it was the first time in a while I didn’t feel anything in the body. When I laid down for the first time to sleep last night, in comparison to our older mattress the Loom & Leaf seemed pretty firm, maybe more than I was bargaining for. But with a 75 day trial period, no overreacting. I have 2+ months to decide. Let me just say that I sleep in all positions, and I found all to be comfortable even though my mind was trying to say too firm. Obviously with a relaxed firm, can’t get any softer. But I know how I slept that first night, and it was great.
So, that’s a one night review. Only time will tell, and the 75th day is the next major milestone. If I’m the least bit dissatisfied, that’s the last day I can return it, or I live with it. After 1 night, I am pretty confident 75 days will come and go and the Loom & LEaf will be well entrenched in the bedroom.

Hi Joe,

Have you had a chance to review the Nectar Mattress? I am wondering how it compares to Loom and Leaf? Those seem to be the two I keep coming back to in my mattress hunt.

Thank you for your input
Jenna

Hi Jenna – I have not yet! What interests you about Nectar?

Can you explain more about not lasting more than 2-3 years? Also I am a bigger guy 275 lbs. how does that affect the review.

Hi Billy! The biggest difference will be the mattress will feel differently to you than shown in the videos – I’d trend towards a firmer mattress for you in general.

I currently have. a twenty-year old high quality box spring and mattress set with a 4-inch memory foam mattress (no cover on memory foam)I that I added on top. I am a side sleeper with hip and shoulder pain. If I get one of these mattresses, do I keep my box springs or does the mattress lie directly on the bed slats. Thanks.

Hi Glenda – you can keep the box spring (if it’s in good condition) if you prefer, but it will be great on bed slats as well (just check the Loom & Leaf warranty to make sure your bed slats meet the requirements).

Our new loom and leaf queen size mattress just delivered today. Can’t wait to try it out. So sick of rolling to the middle
Of the bed when my husband gets up
In the morning! I’ll let you know how it goes.

Can you buy this mattress anywhere other than direct from Saatva? Are there any discount coupons or offers that would make this mattress a better bargain?

Hi Patrick – they only sell online, unfortunately I don’t have any discounts (I’ve never heard of them offering any)

HeyJoe
Love ur reviews, can u recommend a mattress for me I’m 6-3 and 235 lbs and a side sleeper I never slept on a foam mattress but I’ve been looking at trying one. Please help
Thank u
Joe O

We gave our 4 year old King iComfort to our daughter because it was too soft and purchased a Loom and Leaf. Loved it the first few nights and then around day 11, I noticed sagging where our bottoms were on the bed. A week later, there was significant sagging and I also noticed that the bed was warm to sleep on. We are not that big. My husband is about 210lbs and I am 130lbs. I hate that you can see the sagging even when the bed is made. I did so much research and I’m really disappointed in both the sagging and the heat. I will return it but first I now have the daunting task of looking for another bed 🙁 Our bed before the iComfort was a Rhapsody from Tempur-pedic but it was a queen and we wanted a King. May have to bite bullet and get another Tempur-pedic. Ugh!

Hi Joe,

I have been sleeping on a Loom and Leaf (luxury firm) for almost 4 weeks now. At times I love it, but other times I wake up with shoulder pain and some mild low back pain. I am 5’10”, 170 lbs, athletic build, and have broad shoulders. I either sleep on my side or stomach. When I sleep on my stomach I think the L&L works great. I think the side sleeping is when I wake up with the shoulder and low back issues.

My previous mattress was a lower cost firm mattress with a higher end 3″ mattress topper. It sunk in and hugged me a good bit. I never had any pain on it. I am thinking I need a softer mattress and/or one that provides more of the “hug” feel for pressure point relief when I am sleeping on my side than the L&L is currently providing.

The other mattresses that I thought might work are: Alexander Signature Medium, Amerisleep Liberty, or Winkbed.

Do you think any of these would provide the solution? Are any of them a little softer than the L&L and provide better contouring and pressure relief for side sleeping?

Thanks for any feedback! I am also open to other options if you have any!

Hi Matt,

L&L is a bit slower to “break in” than other memory foam mattresses I’ve tried, so I usually say give it ~4 weeks before you make a final decision. Sounds like you’re about there, so for a different brand – Alexander Signature Medium and Amerisleep Liberty are probably the two I would suggest. I’d consider Amerisleep more similar to Loom and Leaf in terms of feel (though the Liberty will be slightly softer).

How would you say this mattress compares to the tempur grandbed? We have been looking for 2 years for something comparable.

I read your review before buying the loom and leaf relaxed firm mattress, and again today. I have owned this mattress a little over a year now. Once I got used to foam vs springs, I LOVED it! It slept cool for a short time, then seem ed to be hot. I contacted the company and they exchanged the mattress without a single ounce of resistance.
The one we have now is super hot, and my husband, who is approximately 195 lbs, says that he is sinking in more than ever. Today, when I changed the sheets, I paid extra attention. After about 7 hours, the mattress was still significantly more indented on his side. I wonder if your followers have found similar things, and if you have any suggestions for recourse. I don’t think that a 1 month review and then no follow up is a fair assessment.
Thank you.
Barbara M

My husband and I love everything about the L&L and the Saatva company. We don’t have a lot of money for big purchases like this, but I was having so many health issues that we decided a year ago to do extensive research and spend this years income tax to get a good bed that would help us both to get up in the mornings without extreme pain. The entire experience has been amazing and we would highly recommend L&L to anyone wanting a great bed at a great value. We originally got the king size relaxed firm mattress and we slept on it for about a month. I am quite a bit over weight and I felt like the firm mattress would probably be a better fit for me. We contacted the company and told them our concern. They deliver and do in home set up which for our area costs 99 dollars, so they said we would only have to pay the cost of delivery. I explained to them that we had spent our income tax to make this purchase and that we probably would not have that kind of extra money during our 120 day home trial. They were amazing and offered to waive the delivery fee for us. So 2 weeks later we got our king size firm mattress and it is perfect. We wake up refreshed and pain free. It really is risk free, they will help with exchanges or refunds and are fast to call you and answer any questions you may have. They truly do strive to make every customer satisfied. We have no regrets at all buying online. Amazing product and amazing company! If we ever need another bed we will be buying from Loom and Leaf!

Thanks for your feedback Jenny, glad you had a good experience!

Hi I’m wondering if this is a mattress that will hold up over time to a heavy person – and do you deliver in Canada? I am also wondering if the bed will develop a imprint over time? Thank you in advance for your reply.

Jeff

Hi Jeff – I don’t believe L&L delivers to Canada at this time, but I’d check with them to confirm.

My husband and I tested the Serta icomfort blue 300. We liked the firmness of it. The reviews for longevity aren’t great for it. I am interested in the Loom and Leaf I just don’t know what firmness to go with. It can have a little give for “comfy” feeling but my husband likes an 8 on the firmness scale. Can you give me your opinion on whether to get the relaxed firm or firm mattress.

Go with the relaxed firm.

where did you purchase your bed frame? I’m looking for a frame that borders just the loom and leaf base.

This one was just off Amazon! Nothing fancy but does the job.

Wondered if L&L compares to Tempur Pedic Contour Supreme firm in Queen size. We priced tempur pedic @ $2799

Definitely compares, but the Contour Supreme will be firmer.

Hey there! I notice you haven’t responded to the two comments addressing the sagging…I am considering purchasing a Loom and Leaf mattress after having sagging issues with the Tuft and Needle I bought a few months ago. I am feeling discouraged after seeing those comments and was wondering what you might know about that? Thanks!

Hi Arielle – sorry didn’t mean to not respond! I didn’t have any sagging issues myself, though note I don’t test the mattresses over long periods of time. Though I am surprised by the sagging since the L&L uses high density foams (which generally hold up better over time).

So I’m a day sleeping/side sleeper…..would the Loom and Leaf or the Amerisleep sleep cooler?

They are about equal.

We are also considering Sleep Science 12″ iFlip Sonoma Dual Comfort from Costco. Can you comment on the comparison with Loom & Leaf? Many thanks.

I am not familiar with that one yet.

Noticed you have no comments on the Nest Alexander Sirnature series. Just gave them a try in a showroom but are torn between the Nest and the Loom &Leaf. Any comments on the relative firmness of “medium ” offerings of the 2?

Firmness is pretty subjective, but in my opinion they are about the same.

Great reviews. Have you tested the Casper wave? I am considering the Loom and Leaf versus the Casper Wave? I want to buy one or the other and need help with the decision process. Thanks, Mark

Haven’t tested that one yet, but I intend to in the not so distant future.

Hi Joe- I enjoy reading all of your mattress reviews! I am looking to make a change from a 4 year old Simmons Beautyrest innerspring mattress- a little too firm for me and would like to try something different. I was thinking of memory foam or latex. I keep coming back to the Loom and Leaf relaxed firm or the Amerispleep AS4 (Colonial). I’m 6’2″, 220, side sleeper with low back problems (surgery last year). Any suggestions?

While firmness is subjective and people feel firmness differently, I think most would agree the AS4 is softer than the L&L relaxed firm. If you only sleep on your side, then the AS4 might be a better fit. If you sleep in other positions sometimes, then perhaps the L&L could be a better fit.

Thanks for this helpful review. I’m not heavy at 125lbs but I ordered the extra firm king size loom and leaf mattress. Since I find I switch positions at night and go from my back to my side, I feel I would have been better off with the relaxed firm for better contouring and pressure point relief. I can still make the change as I’m within the trial period but wonder the following: will the extra firm continue to soften over time and will if ultimately be more long lasting – or not? Thanks in advance,

It will soften a bit over time and potentially can be a little more long-lasting (just a little).

Recently purchased a Casper and hate it…. Also had a horrible experience with the company. In need of a new bed. I am a side sleeper chronic back pain. Does this matresss feel or resemble the Casper at all?

It’s a very different feel from the Casper. What didn’t you like about the Casper?

Hello,

How would you say the loom and leaf relaxed firm compares to the Tempurpedic cloud luxe breeze as far as firmness and feel goes? Looking for something soft and the cloud luxe breeze is the softest tempurpedic has.. Also what would you say compares with the Serta iComfort 1000 blue max plush? My wife loves that bed so I was also trying to find something comparable to that.

The Cloud Luxe Breeze is going to be way softer. Not even close.

Really? L&L told me that the Cloud Luxe Breeze is comparable to their Relaxed Firm. Which Tempur-pedic would you say is actually comparable?

After a lot of research, we ordered a L&L Firm because we prefer a firmer mattress and were concerned that the Relaxed Firm would be too soft. Our Firm arrived yesterday and we “slept” on it. I put “slept” in quotes because I didn’t get any rest. I tossed and turned all night. It was like sleeping on a padded floor. After several hours, I finally just got out of bed because my neck was killing me. My partner woke up with a sore neck and his upper right arm (the side he slept on) was numb all day. I immediately contacted L&L and, as expected, was told to sleep on it for four weeks to “break it in”. Is that really realistic given how uncomfortable we were from just one night?

L&L said we could pay another $99 to exchange for a Relaxed Firm and suggested that we try the Cloud Luxe Breeze as a comparable mattress. Tempurpedic told me they rate the Cloud Luxe Breeze a 1 out of 10 and that it is the softest mattress they make. L&L rates the Relaxed Firm as a 6. It seems like L&L’s comfortable scale and idea of what is comparable is completely unrealistic and unhelpful.

Yeah the Cloud Luxe is incredibly soft. The L&L will break in and soften after a couple of weeks. I’m not sure if it will break in enough for you based on what you’re describing.

I have tried both the relaxed firm and firm Saatva innerspring mattresses, and find them too soft because of the pillow layer on top. I am only allowed to exchange once more, and I have to keep that mattress. It will be non-returnable. I am willing to risk this with the upgrade to Loom & Leaf as I have slept on memory foam. Problem is whether to go with the relaxed or firm. I have always like a very firm bed, but not like concrete.! I sleep on my side and back – never stomach. The comments seem to indicate that the relaxed firm is very firm. If I order firm and it is too much so, I have to keep it. Any thoughts?

It’s hard for me to say honestly. If you get the firm you could at least get a mattress topper to make it softer afterwards.

I have had a sleep number bed for 12 yr. Been comparing memory foam mattress for couple month before I purchase one. I’ve looked into the Leesa bed. Can you tell me which is better between the to?

Well L&L is more of a pure memory foam mattress while Leesa has a more, faster-responding balanced feel. It comes down to your personal preference. If you really want the memory foam feel, then go with Loom and Leaf.

Hi Joe,

Thanks for the solid review. We went with a king sizes L&L relaxed firm based on your site. After 3 nights, the wife and I are in pain. Sore shoulders, ribs, etc. We are both waking up during the night and tossing and turning. This thing is WAY to firm for us. I can’t imagine what the next level of firmness is like (solid steel?). We had a cheapo no name mattress that is now gone. The L&L is getting returned, but I’m not sure what to go with. We are both combo sleepers/side sleepers, in shape, no injuries/surgeries, or other issues. We thought we wanted something with more firmness than our last mattress (difficult to have sex on) but now I don’t what I want. Looking for a recommendation. Amerisleep AS3 is what I’m leaning towards but open to looking at others.

Thank you!

If you want something a lot softer, try the AS4 or look at the Nolah.

Oh I forgot to mention we were considering a Purple mattress to, but you seem to rank that company (18th) pretty low. Would getting a Purple be a downgrade from Amerisleep? Also, sex wasn’t easy on our last memory foam mattress because you sank in so much. Would we find that problem with a Purple or Amerisleep?

Thank you !

my 8 year old Terper-pedic has started sleeping way to hot.
I can not decide between the Loom & Leaf and the Nest Alexander Hybrid firm.
Another thing is by looking at the U Tube Loom it shows all four corners sloping downward which I would not like.
My priorities is a cool mattress
Any thoughts

The Alexander Hybrid will sleep cooler in my opinion.

I have lower back pain and I am a stomach sleeper. What firmness level you recommend for that?

You might want the firm. I would ask the company to make sure though.

I just want to say thank you for your reviews; they helped me come to a decision. I will let you know how we like the L&L.

Thanks, Cheryl!

Just a tip for everyone that is having issues with the L&L relaxed firm being too firm when you first get it. My husband and I had the same problem, couldn’t sleep on it. We went to a local furniture store, with the intentions of buying something after we planned on returning our L&L. They were setting up the new line of Tempur-Pedic mattresses and the company rep was walking on them. We asked why and she told us that they walk on the mattress a few times to break it in for the showroom quicker.
We went home and walked on our L&L two nights in a row and the mattress was perfect.
We bought another L&L for our summer house because we love ours at home so much. First thing we did was walk on it and we slept like babies from night one.

Thanks for the tip, Karen!

I tested out several Tempurpedic mattresses and liked the Cloud Supreme and Cloud Elite. I did lay on a Supreme Breeze with a gel cooling technology and felt cold laying upon the bed. Does the L&L feel cold when you lay on it or is the cooling technology more for dispersing heat throughout the night?

It feels normal temperature when you lay on it.

We have only had our L & L for 10 days. I took the sheets off today to wash them and noticed the threads were coming undone in about 10 places where the diamonds are quilted on the top. The cover is also starting to bunch up slightly around those areas. Customer service was quite abrupt in assuring me this only happened in 1% of their mattresses. I weigh only 103lbs and my husband is 165. This should not happen but I have read about it in a few places from customer reviews. I was just beginning to get used to my mattress and am worried about going through that initial phase all over again. It was extremely firm the first few nights. We opted for the comfort firm. Not the firmest one.

How does Loom & Leaf compare to Amerisleep. Trying to decide between the two.

We currently have a L&L Relaxed firm since 11/17 and my husband is not happy with it, says it is too hard. He has been away on business trips frequently since we got it and we were also gone over Thanksgiving holiday, so total I would say he has slept on the bed 5 times. He wants to exchange it and try the Saatva Plush bed. We slept on a high end Kingsdown innerspring with pillowtop for 17 years, so memory foam is a big change. I called L&L and they educated me on the whole break-in/adjustment period which I am trying to relay to my husband but I think in the long run my husband will not want the L&L. He wants me to exchange right away so he doesn’t have to endure the hard mattress. The rep. told me she thought the Saatva plush would actually be more firm then the L&L. I plan on sticking with the L&L for m (going to get two twin XL’s for our king bed). Do you have any opinion or comparison between the firmness level for the Saatva Plush vs. the L&L Relaxed Firm? I’m afraid the Saatva will need a break-in period also that will frustrate my husband.

I haven’t personally tried the Saatva Plush but would assume it would be softer than the L&L Relaxed Firm.

I purchased the Loom & Leaf relaxed firm (queen) about two months ago and I must say I am pretty disappointed. After reading too many online reviews and seeing it constantly praised (it’s in almost all top 5 mattress review posts) I pulled the trigger.

I am predominantly a side sleeper, sometimes I’ll do a side stomach combo, but rarely sleep on my back. The 1st night on the mattress was horrible. I figured I just needed to get used to the new mattress but 60ish days later I wake up with lower back pain almost every morning.

I think the problem is the firmness, my guess is it’s too firm, so now I am looking for something a bit softer. I’ve narrowed my options down to Winkbeds (softer model), Bear, Nolah and Layla. I’d like to save some money since I am out $200 on shipping costs for the L&L but I am leaning towards Winkbeds.

If anyone has a recommendation for the options above, I’d love to hear your thoughts. A little additional context, I am a 5’9 ~180lbs guy in his mid 30s.

I’m curious about the L&L. I’m a side sleeper, 6’2″ about 190 lbs. My wife is a stomach sleeper at about 5’10” and 250 lbs. She doesn’t like a firm feeling mattress, yet sleeps in a position that warrants that choice. Is the relaxed firm going to be able to hold her weight acceptably?

Yes, it should work fine for her.

any updates?

Hello, this is more a question than comment. This Will be the first time for me purchasing a foam bed. There are so many to choose from I’m getting a little overwhelmed. I am a side sleeper an prefer a bed on the firmer side but not rock hard. I don’t want to feel like I’m sinking either. I have osteo arthritis and suffer from back and shoulder pain. I am just looking for a good nights sleep. I currently am sleeping on a sleep number bed and wouldn’t recommend them to anyone. I weigh 175 pounds. If there is anyone out there who has similar issues please your opinion would be greatly appreciated so I can narrow down my choices. Really need a bed.
Thank you in advance.

How does one “just send” a mattress back? This is what worries me most from buying online. You can’t stuff it back into the box. Do you cut it up into manageable chunks? Some companies claim you just need to donate it to charity and show them the receipt. Charities I’ve checked with don’t want mattresses.

Thanks for the review. Just FYI, the prices have gone up.

I recently received a loom and leaf bed. Unfortunately, they got it wrong, not once, but twice. The splashy web site described experience was that I would receive a “white glove delivery”. In reality, it was two twenty something delivery persons (polite but inexperienced), who lacked basic tools such as a box cutter, screwdriver, or pair of scissors. They were unaware they were even supposed to assemble it. During the assembly with my tools, it was discovered that the frame was missing pieces. I contacted Ken (my Loom & Leaf specialist). I waited a week and a few days for a replacement frame to be shipped and I agreed to assemble it myself rather than have workers revisit. The second bed frame was damaged (Bent on one of the ends which would have inflicted damage on the edge of the support boxsprings). Luckily, I had the incomplete bed frame kept just in case (Murphy’s law here) and was able to assemble the bedframe using the other frame part from the one that was incomplete. I am not detracting from the quality of the bed itself, for which I have not yet slept on since it has been against my wall for a week and a half waiting for that second damaged frame to arrive. Rather, I just want everyone to know including Loom and Leaf, that you might have the most wonderful product in the world, but when you depend on a Staples Bed Frame and a non vetted delivery service, you get a less than promised White Glove experience.

We currently have sleep by number mattress….is the Loom and Leaf more similar to our current mattress or is the Saatva?

Which Sleep Number model do you have? They vary so much in terms of comfort level it will be hard to answer your questions without knowing that. The Saatva has coils and the Loom & Leaf is all foam, so the Saatva will have more of a traditional innerspring mattress feel and the Loom and Leaf will have more of a cooling gel memory foam feel.

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