Loom And Leaf: A Review That Leaves No Stone Unturned

My Loom & Leaf Mattress Review

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I slept on the Loom & Leaf Relaxed Firm mattress for several weeks and got a really good sense for it.  The mattress is quite comfortable, and overall my experience was positive, though I have a few words of caution.

This mattress isn’t for everyone, but definitely an intriguing option for certain mattress buyers.  It has a distinct memory foam feel that some people will love while others won’t love.  For those that are looking for a memory foam mattress, this mattress can give you a great value.  It uses quality materials that you will see in mattresses that cost you a lot more money.

Read on for my full Loom & Leaf review (see HERE for a direct comparison to Tempur-Pedic).

Who Should Be Interested in Loom & Leaf?

  • You’re Considering Tempur-Pedic– If you are looking at the Tempur-Pedic models or other high-quality memory foam mattresses, I would definitely give a strong look at Loom and Leaf.  The specs of the mattress are comparable to some of the mid-range Tempur-Pedic models.  See direct comparison to Tempur-Pedic HERE.
  • You Are Value-Conscious and Luxury Loving– Loom and Leaf provides great value, and is priced well for a mattress competing at the luxury level.  The price tag is steep for some buyers, but a steal if you compare it to the major mattress brands.
  • You Are Looking For A Great Comfort/Support Trade-off– The high-density memory foam conforms nicely to the body and supports proper spinal alignment, upholding the known standard for high-quality memory foam.  This is great for relieving and/or preventing back pain.  At the same time, the mattress is quite comfortable and I think you’ll find it’s a very cozy sleeping experience.
  • You Sleep With A Partner– The high-density memory foam is great for motion isolation.  That means when your partner moves around, you generally won’t feel it.  You’ll both get a better night of sleep because of it.
  • You’re Willing To Take A Risk– This is a new brand and you can’t try the mattress out ahead of time.  The trial period and return policy should alleviate any concerns you have, but some people would naturally think they are taking a risk in buying such a mattress online.

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Why You Might Not Want To Look At Loom & Leaf

  • You Don’t Plan On Owning Your Mattress Very Long– I think Loom and Leaf is fit for someone who wants a great medium or long-term solution.  If you are just planning on owning your mattress for 2-3 years, then maybe you don’t want to invest in a mattress of this quality.  There are definitely some lower-priced options that will do the job.
  • You Generally Don’t Like The Memory Foam Feel– I have come across a number of people who don’t like the memory foam feel.  As good as a memory foam mattress may be, some people will just never like the feel.  I’ve seen people make the mistake of thinking that since they’re upgrading to a high-quality mattress they’re going to of course like the feel – but tastes for memory foam rarely change, no matter the quality.
  • You Like To Really Sink Into Your Mattress– This mattress is made with high-density memory foam.  As such, it has a strong sense of stability and you don’t get the feeling of sinking into the mattress.  You feel that you are sleeping on the mattress rather than in the mattress.  I prefer this, but you may prefer that super plush feeling that a softer mattress provides.

Firmness and Feel

Want to see the full specs of the mattress?  See HERE

You can see that the mattress behaves much like a high-quality memory foam mattress, as expected. The foam is fairly slow to respond, similar to what you would expect from a Tempurpedic.

This is the medium firm option shown in the video, Loom & Leaf also offers a firm option. Unless you are a stomach sleeper or prefer a very firm mattress, I would go with the medium firm mattress.

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What Are The Main Things You Should Know About The Construction?

  • High-Quality Memory Foam– The mattress uses 5lb memory foam that is plant-based.  The density and quality compares favorably to some of the mid-range Tempur-Pedic models.
  • Organic Cotton Cover– They used organic cotton and it is really soft and nice to the touch.  You probably don’t think that much about the cover when you consider a mattress, but this is a really nice touch that gives the extra feeling of luxury.
  • Gel Layer– There is a gel layer on top of the memory foam.  This keep the mattress cool and comfortable (in my experience).

Loom and Leaf memory foam mattress construction

I would encourage you to look at the specs of the mattress and compare them with the specs of other top memory foam options.  There’s a few objective measures of comparison that make Loom & Leaf an interesting purchase.

Prices

The table below shows the various prices for each of the sizes that Loom & Leaf offers, as well as the associated dimensions.

SizeDimensionPrice
Twin38” x 75”$699
Twin XL38” x 80”$799
Full54” x 75”$949
Queen60” x 80”$1,099
King76” x 80”$1,499
Cal King72” x 84”$1,499
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Summary
Loom and Leaf is made by Saatva, a company that has been selling mattresses direct-to-consumer online for quite a while at this point. The Loom & Leaf mattress is best compared to a mid-range Tempur-pedic (just looking at specs), but ends up being a fraction of the cost. Overall the mattress is very comfortable (if you like the traditional memory foam feel), I enjoyed sleeping on the mattress, but I'm most impressed by the value. Overall this mattress is definitely in my top tier of recommendations.
Comfort4.8
Support4.9
Value (Price)4.7
Doesn't Sleep Hot4.5
Motion Transfer5
Edge Support4.1
Materials/Durability4.8
Company Reputation4.7
Return Policy/Warranty4.8
Overall Sleep Experience4.7

One Thing That Is Very Unique To Loom And Leaf Is The Cool Sleeping Surface

Most agree that sleeping on a bed that feels hot is not comfortable at all.  I’ve personally had some terrible nights of sleep while at a hotel or a friend’s place because the mattresses generated too much heat.  Unfortunately, some memory foam mattresses experience this effect because of the way they are constructed.

There’s a lot of debate about what companies can do that will actually keep a mattress cool.  Some companies will have a spiffy name for some system that is meant to have you think their mattresses will be extra cool at night.  In my experience, the two ways to keep a mattress cool are to include a gel-laminated layer within the foam or to use bio-based foams.  Studies back up this claim too.  Loom & Leaf has both of these features, and from my experience, the sleep surface is very cool and comfortable.

Motion Transfer Test


As expected of a high quality memory foam mattress, Loom & Leaf does very well in the motion transfer test. This mattress should be a good option if you are sleeping with a partner (especially if they move around a lot during the night).

Is Their Claim About All The Cost Savings You Get Accurate?

The claim the company makes about its mattress is that you get for $999 a mattress that would cost 2 to 3 times that amount at a retail store.  After examining this claim and understanding how the traditional retailer business model works, this claim actually is true.  There are so many costs involved in the retail model that get eliminated with the online business model.  The Loom and Leaf mattress really does present an enticing value by removing the physical retailer aspect of the sale.

Is There A Weight Limit?

I chatted with a customer service rep.  The rep said the weight limit is up to 300 lbs.  For a Queen or King, that means you can have two people 300 lbs. each sleeping on the two sides of the mattress.  For less than a Queen, that just means up to 300 lbs. total.  Given the specs of the mattress, this was about the limit that I was expecting.

Edge Support

The edge support of the Loom and Leaf is going to be better than average when compared to other all-foam mattresses.  There are some spring mattresses that have amazing edge support, so the L&L won’t be as good as those, but it’s still pretty good overall.

Sleeping Position Suitability

Side Sleepers– For people of average or heavy weight, the Relaxed Firm should be a good fit.  Lightweight sleepers may find the mattress to be a touch too firm.

Back Sleepers– This should be a good match for back sleepers, although very heavy people might want to get the firm model.

Stomach Sleepers– This should also be a good match for stomach sleepers, although heavier people might want to get the firm model.

Does It Work With An Adjustable Base?

Yes, the Loom and Leaf will work just fine with an adjustable base.  You can even match this mattress with Saatva’s own Lineal adjustable base for a good combination.

But Isn’t Buying A Mattress Online Risky?

This issue always comes up.  In this case, you can’t try the mattress out beforehand, but you do get a 75-day risk-free trial period.  That’s more than enough time to figure out whether you like the mattress (typically you’ll know after 1-2 weeks).  From there, if you don’t like the mattress, you can just send it back.  Doesn’t sound like much of a risk to me, especially when you consider all the cost savings you are getting from buying online.

BOTTOM LINE?  No, it’s not risky.

So Do You Recommend Their Mattress?

I enjoyed the mattress, but it’s definitely not for everyone.  If you understand or are used to memory foam, you will love this mattress.  If you are looking at Tempur-Pedic or another higher-end memory foam provider, Loom & Leaf provides a great way to get similar benefits of Tempur-Pedic but at a much lower price.

The mattress is also great for couples, those who are sensitive to a hot sleeping surface, and those who love getting a great deal.

If you aren’t used to memory foam, have a really tight budget, or don’t plan on keeping your new mattress, very long, then this mattress isn’t going to be for you.

I hope this helps!  Drop me any questions you have in the comments section.

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This post was last updated on June 26th, 2017 at 10:41 am

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Joe has been working in the mattress industry for a number of years and is an active reviewer on Mattress Clarity.

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Minna Kaufman says June 19, 2015

Does the Loom and Leaf mattress have significant off-gassing? We were provided the tempurpedic cloud to replace our old tempurpedic, but there is so much off-gassing, i feel I am getting ill, I am looking to replace my mattress, even though my husband loves his and is not affected by the off-gassing. Also, does the Loom & Leaf have different firmness lovels? Your response would be appreciated. M. Kaufman

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    Joe Auer says June 19, 2015

    There is no off-gassing with Loom and Leaf at all. To me, that’s one of the selling points. You can see the 2 comfort levels here https://www.loomandleaf.com/comfort-levels.html. Hope that helps.

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      DLR says March 4, 2017

      We just had our L&L relaxed firm queen size mattress delivered yesterday. Because we expected no off-gassing (combined with use of plant-based materials, a major reason for our purchase), it was a shock to note a fairly pungent smokey/chemical smell emanating from the mattress. We opened up our room, which has allowed the smell to dissipate a bit, but it’s presence made us wonder if there was something wrong either with the manufacture of our mattress or the storage just prior to delivery. L&L has been very helpful/supportive in arranging for a replacement, but we are now back to at least a few days sleeping on an old double bed until we feel comfortable enough to use the current L&L while awaiting it’s replacement. Do people really find NO artificial smells emanating from their L&L mattresses? We have not previously owned mattresses liable to off-gassing, so don’t really know what that is like, but the descriptions and reviews of this mattress did not prepare us for our current experience.

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        DLR says March 6, 2017

        Quick update. Smell on mattress continued and does not seem to be like anything we have read about in customer reviews so I think this is likely an unusual situation. Regardless, we were not ready to take another chance via a replacement and L&L has been extremely helpful and accommodating in processing our return and arranging for pick-up.

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    Stryker says September 12, 2016

    I could not detect any off-gassing at all and neither could my wife. She has the nose of a bloodhound. We bought the firmest level king size mattress. Neither of us like a soft mattress. It’s true, with the firmest model you sleep more on top of the mattress and not in it. In that respect it feels more like a high quality innerspring once you’ve settled down on it.

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AJ says August 14, 2015

How is the edge support of this mattress?

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    Stryker says September 12, 2016

    If you set very close to the edge it will compress more than a quality innerspring (all memory foam mattresses do this). I would guess about a 1-1.5 inches more than an innerspring. However, this has not bothered me (my wife and I have always owned innerspring mattresses, this is our first memory foam) and my wife actually likes it better because she’s a little short-legged (she’s 5’2″ and I’m 6′).

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Patrick says October 9, 2015

Nest Alexander or Loom & Leaf (king size)? I have narrowed down to these two……..

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    RJ says December 10, 2015

    I too was curious about the Alexander vs. the Loom & Leaf. Patrick, what did you finally decide on?
    Joe, any comments to help compare the differences and similarities of these two? Thx in advance.

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      Joe Auer says December 15, 2015

      The specs are quite similar between the two and the price is really great for each. I really like both mattresses and can’t make a definite one is definitely better than the other pick.

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jack says December 5, 2015

So, I have looked at the tempurpedic cloud supreme breeze and cloud elite. How would you compare the quality of this loom and leaf mattress with those? I am so ready for this new technology, but obviously do not want to overpay, yet at the same time really want to invest in a quality long lasting mattress! Thanks for your review and in advance for your response to this question.

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    Joe Auer says December 15, 2015

    The specs are pretty similar, but the price is so much less for the L&L. The L&L should last 10+ years (although it’s brand new so there’s not the benefit of years of owner experience data).

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    Stryker says September 12, 2016

    My wife and I also looked and laid on the two mattresses you mentioned. Liked them both, but they were pricey. On paper, the Loom and Leaf looked just as good perhaps even technically better, however the price was significantly lower. We took a chance on the Loom and Leaf and trusted in their return policy. After the first two weeks of sleeping on it, this mattress is staying. We are more than pleased. We’ve only owned the mattress a month now so I can’t comment on its long-term viability. At this point I have no buyer’s remorse.

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Jen bell says December 11, 2015

My husband and I tried the I comfort serta efx aura series memory foam bed at a sleepys and liked it a lot. Do you think we would also like the loom and leaf relaxed firm?

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    Joe Auer says December 15, 2015

    I am confident you will. The L&L is thicker and uses higher-density memory foam, so it uses higher-quality materials in general. It should have the same general feel.

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    Dena says December 19, 2015

    So we have had the IComfort and are looking at L&L, How do you think they compare?we loved the bed but time to replace.

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      Joe Auer says December 29, 2015

      I’m looking into the iComfort right now but don’t have enough experience with it just yet to make a full comparison. I’d hesitate to recommend going away from something you already know you like a lot. Having said that, L&L is a great mattress.

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      Charles C says January 21, 2017

      I gave this mattress 3 stars because of their good customer service. The mattress comes in two models, Relaxed Firm and Firm. I choose the Relaxed Firm and it was still felt like sleeping on a brick. The mattress was not soft at all nor had any “give” to adjust to my body. Being a side sleeper, I could never get comfortable. After my first complaint, their customer service sent a mattress topper but that still didn’t help. I finally returned the mattress because it was just not for me. However, I can say that they stick to their word about guaranteeing satisfaction and for a company today, that is a great.

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        Joe Auer says January 22, 2017

        Good to hear Charles, thanks!

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        Jennifer Watkins says February 8, 2017

        My experience was similar. I had an original Tempurpedic bed for 13 years. I thought this would be comperable, but it does not have a memory foam feel at all. Feels like there might be some foam down there somewhere but it is covered with a thick quilted something or other. No sinking conforming feel. No low back support. My hips hurt like never before in my life. It might be half the price, but at this rate my medical bills will more than make up the difference! Back it goes…
        They really shouldn’t be able to say this is comperable to Tempurpedic at all.

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Jeff says December 22, 2015

My wife is cold natured and is concerned the cooling gel will make her cold. I don’t like a hot mattress, but I don’t want her to be too cold either. Can you comment please? Thanks.

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    Joe Auer says December 29, 2015

    Hi Jeff,

    No that shouldn’t be an issue. It should feel neutral in temperature.

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    Stryker says September 12, 2016

    I agree with Joe’s assessment. The mattress IS temperature neutral. We found that it does not get hot nor is it cold (my wife is cold-natured as well). No complaints at all regarding temperature.

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Huey Luster says December 25, 2015

Would like to know about the edge support of the Loom & Leaf memory foam mattress ?

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    Joe Auer says December 29, 2015

    I didn’t have any issues with the edge support and thought it was pretty decent overall.

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    Stryker says September 12, 2016

    If you are an edge sleeper (my wife is, I’m not), as you near the edge you will notice slightly more compression of the mattress. It did make her feel a little uncomfortable as she really used to hug the edge on our innerspring mattresses. She has backed away from the edge about 8 inches and everything is fine now. This is an aspect that is common to all memory foam mattresses.

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ESTHER says January 23, 2016

I am looking into purchasing S-Cape Eastern King Adjustable Bed from Costco and purchasing two twin xl memory foam from L&L. Are they compatible? Thank you for your guidance. Esther

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    Joe Auer says January 26, 2016

    Should work, but double-check with someone on their live chat to be sure.

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Dan says February 7, 2016

Have you completed your review of the Serta iComfort Visionary EFX Plush mattress? I can’t decide between this and the Loom&Leaf. I have seen the Serta in the store but can’t do that with the Loom&Leaf so I’m hesitant to go that direction.

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    Joe Auer says February 10, 2016

    I haven’t yet. I would say the free trial should make you less concerned about not trying the L&L out first. It makes the purchase pretty low-risk.

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Darryl says February 7, 2016

How does the L&L compare in quality and comfort with the Serta Iseries Honoree?

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    Joe Auer says February 10, 2016

    The Serta is a hybrid coil / memory foam, so it’s going to be a different feel from the L&L, which is just a pure memory foam mattress. Generally, the L&L will compare quite favorably to the Serta.

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Daniel says February 24, 2016

I’m a heavier sleeper (~235) with back pain, and it looks like the Loom & Leaf and Nest Alexander are two that have the best support heavy sleepers. Do you think one would be better than the other for that?

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    Joe Auer says February 28, 2016

    I can’t say I’d recommend one over the other for back pain. There’s so much that goes into what causes back pain that it’s hard to say how your mattress will affect it. Both of those options do have good support for heavier people IMO though.

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    Stryker says September 12, 2016

    My wife has a herniated disk in her back, which prompted us to look at mattresses better suited to providing back support (one of the reasons we opted to give Loom & Leaf a try). With her disk in its damaged condition, she could no longer sleep on our innerspring bed. She can sleep the entire night on the Loom & Leaf. I’m a big guy, 300 lbs, and while I don’t have a back problem the bed feels great to me. I used to wake up with a sore back (muscles) in the morning in our old bed. That issue has almost completely gone away now. About half the mornings I have no back pain what-so-ever, and those mornings I do, its not pain now, just a little “tweak” that quickly goes away.

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      Alyssa says January 13, 2017

      Did you get the relaxed firm or firm?

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Dawn says February 26, 2016

You said that the Loom and Leaf is comparable to some of the “mid-range” Tempurpedic models. How would it compare if I were looking at the Cloud Luxe?

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    Joe Auer says February 28, 2016

    I still believe the L&L would compare favorably against the Cloud Luxe, especially when considering the difference in prices.

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cecelia says March 1, 2016

Is the firm a lot firmer than the “relaxed firm”?

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    Joe Auer says March 1, 2016

    I haven’t tried the firm personally, but I will say the relaxed firm is slightly firmer than I expected.

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    Stryker says September 12, 2016

    I have the “firm” mattress and Loom and Leaf rate their firm an “8” on a scale of 1-10. I have no experience with the “relaxed firm” so I can’t compare. I will say that if you try a Tempurpedic of the same rating (or close to it) the feel is comparable.

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Sana says March 3, 2016

HI there! If you had to choose would you get this bed? My husband sleep super hot, will this make a huge difference? Would you choose the tempurpedic over this bed if money wasn’t an object? Thanks!!!

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    Joe Auer says March 3, 2016

    Yeah I would. It slept cool for me, so if that’s your main concern I would say go for it.

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    Stryker says September 12, 2016

    “Huge difference”, probably not. “Noticeable difference”, probably yes. However, I will say the mattress does a fabulous job of heat dissipation. It truly sleeps temperature neutral. I could have and would have bought the top-of-the-line tempurpedic had I thought it was what we needed. I have no complaints against the tempurpedic, it is a quality product. After analyzing a boat-load of beds from the major manufacturers and the on-line stores the Loom & Leaf kept coming up as a real contender. I felt compelled to “roll the dice” and give it a try as I could always get my money back or order something else from them if I didn’t like it. For me, we hit the jackpot. The quality of the construction, materials used, technology employed I felt were every bit as good (maybe better in some areas) than the tempurpedic, for about 1/3 the cost. I tried both beds, they are both great; I would have been happy with either of them. However, the value I received for the Loom & Leaf just could not be ignored.

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    Annette says November 5, 2016

    I returned my Loom and Leaf mattress because it slept so hot. It’s only cool at first then your body heats it up and you are stuck in a heat sink. No memory foam for me ever again.

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      Joe Auer says November 6, 2016

      Sorry it didn’t work out for you Annette! What did you end up getting?

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Elizabeth says March 9, 2016

“You can just send it back.” Hmm. Doesn’t sound very user-friendly or cost-effective to me. Other companies, like Lull, will come and pick it up. That makes more sense to me, especially after watching the YouTube videos about how these mattresses morph into a much bigger thing than what was in the packing box.

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    Joe Auer says March 10, 2016

    Hi Elizabeth – my apologies on the wording, I don’t mean literally pack it up and send it back, rather just return it. I believe Loom & Leaf handles the process the same way that Lull and other companies do.

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Bex says March 12, 2016

You still have to pay for a $99 delivery fee which is nonrefundable if you decide not to keep it.

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    Joe Auer says March 14, 2016

    Hi Bex – yes this is true, thank you for clarifying!

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      James Russo says December 29, 2016

      Do you pay the $99 again to ship it back if you dont like it ?

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        Joe Auer says January 1, 2017

        No you do not – but you will not be refunded the original shipping fee, just the cost of the mattress.

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PC says March 13, 2016

I am purchasing a mattress for a summer camp. The mattress will be stored in below freezing temperatures in winter. I am concerned about how this will affect the gel layer. Do you know if it will withstand freezing and slow thawing each spring? How can I find out?

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    Joe Auer says March 14, 2016

    Tough question – I’m not sure about that myself, honestly I think the effect would be more on the foam than the gel. I’m not sure that even Loom & Leaf would have a great answer for you, but I’d give them a try first!

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Maria says March 20, 2016

I see a lot about the Loom & Leaf being good for people on the heavier side, what about people on the lighter size (120)? I would like some sinkage so was wondering since its has the denser foam if I would still sink some or just be on the top of it with no sinkage. Thanks!

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    Joe Auer says March 21, 2016

    Hi Maria – there is not a ton of sinkage with Loom & Leaf, so even less sinkage for a lighter person. I’d consider the least firm option if you go with them and want a little sinkage.

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Vicky says April 3, 2016

We purchased a Tuft and Needle mattress, but I don’t sink enough – it’s too firm. Do you have any idea how the softer mattress from L&L compares to t&n? I’m hoping it’s softer. The combined weight for hubby and me is about 280lbs. I’m thinking about trying the L&L soft mattress. The extended trial periods for both these companies (75 and 100 nights) is really the only way to make sure you’re getting the right mattress.

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    Joe Auer says April 3, 2016

    Tuft & Needle is actually quite firm (relatively), the L&L soft will be significantly softer.

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mark king says April 21, 2016

Does the foam “gas out”? does it have a strong chemical smell?

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    Joe Auer says April 21, 2016

    Hi Mark – this mattress does not come compressed, so there is no off-gassing (in my experience).

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    Stryker says September 12, 2016

    I experienced no off-gassing what-so-ever. No chemical smell at all! I could have slept on this bed immediately after it was unpackaged.

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Veronica says May 1, 2016

I read your comments about the Novosbed Mattress and Look & Leaf. I love the feel of memory foam. I am left a little confused. I saw your video on the Novosbed mattress and you stated it was just right for people who like the feel of memory foam yet your review of Loom and Leaf states it has the real feel of aTempurPedic mattress. Which one is really meant for memory foam lovers who sleep on their side?

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    Joe Auer says May 1, 2016

    Hi Veronica – both provide a very high-quality memory foam feel. For side sleepers, I would just go with a less-firm option for either.

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Lisa says May 6, 2016

I thought I was convinced that my husband and I would be getting the FIRM mattress, as we do like firm. However, after reading these reviews I am having second thoughts. We never owned a memory foam. Is it true that we will just stay on top of it with no sinking in? To me that seems like it would be bad on the back if it didn’t conform at all to your body. We both do sleep on our sides sometimes too. It’s scary ordering online and spending so much money on a new company, but for some reason I really want to try this!! Any thoughts?

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    Joe Auer says May 6, 2016

    Hi Lisa – you will certainly sink in a little with the comfort/support tradeoff. I’m just saying the feeling is generally sleeping on the bed, rather than in the bed (as is the feeling with some softer foams/pillow tops).

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    Stryker says September 12, 2016

    My wife and I prefer some firmness to our mattresses as well. We ordered the king-size in firm and got exactly what we wanted. The mattress absolutely will conform to your body shape, you just don’t sink in as deeply as with a softer memory foam. I’m around 300 lbs and I’m estimating probably sink in about 2.5 inches at my hips and about 1.25 inches at my shoulders (I’m going to have to get actual measurements sometime as this is a common question I get asked). I myself am a side-sleeper, and I have no issues with this position on this bed. Occasionally I’ll sleep on my back, no problem here either. Surprise to me, I rarely ever used to sleep on my stomach and now I find I like that position as well. I had your same concerns about trying a mattress I couldn’t test from a relatively new company. It is a new business model for bedding, but everything turned out OK. Would do it again.

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Michele says May 7, 2016

Is the Loom & Leaf good for those with back pain. My husband and I are looking for something firm, yet comfortable. Thank you

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    Joe Auer says May 8, 2016

    Hi Michele! I don’t recommend a mattress “for back pain” specifically, but of course you’re going to want great support and comfort. In my opinion, L&L delivers on both of those requirements.

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    Stryker says September 12, 2016

    The mattress has helped both me and my wife with back pain. When we’re lying in the bed, no pain at all. She experiences some discomfort when getting out of the bed in the morning, but that is due to a herniated disk that has not yet healed. My “back pain” is just a little muscle soreness in my lower back when getting out of bed in the morning. About 50% of the time I have no soreness at all when I get up. The rest of the time there is a bit of mild discomfort that quickly goes away. Our old mattress was a true torture rack in the morning. My lower back would really experience not soreness but unequivocal muscle pain in the morning when I would get up. Absolutely grateful that is now gone.

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      Suzie says November 5, 2016

      My husband and I just bought the L&L medium firm mattress. I have significant back problems herniated disc’s and arthritis in my hips. I am not sure we bought the right firmness for my conditions. I noticed your post and was wondering if the firmer mattress would be better for me? Is the firmer mattress too firm? Can you advise please?

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Zach S. says May 15, 2016

Hello, is there a bed I can test at wg&r or Mattress firm that would be comparable to L&L?

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Betsy says May 21, 2016

How do you feel the L & L compares to the Helix mattress?

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    Joe Auer says May 22, 2016

    The main differences: L&L has more of a traditional luxury memory foam feel, while Helix has a little more spring to it. You can personalize Helix, but Loom and Leaf has multiple firmness options. Decent difference in price as well. Both great picks though!

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Emily says May 27, 2016

Hi! I ordered the Leesa but found it was too soft for me. Now I’m considering ordering the Loom and Leaf but am not sure whether I should order the Relaxed Firm or the Firm. Can you compare the Leesa to the Loom and Leaf in softness? (I have slept on a memory foam mattress from Design Within Reach at my mom’s house that I love, but even though it is their firm style, it is quite old at this point so not sure how firm it still is)

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    Joe Auer says June 1, 2016

    Hi Emily – firmness is a little subjective, but in my experience the Loom and Leaf Relaxed firm is firmer than the Leesa. So if the Leesa was close, but just a little too soft, I think the L&L relaxed firm would be the place to start.

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Sam says May 31, 2016

Hello, I have been sleeping on loom & leaf relaxed firm for a couple days now and i have this nagging feeling that I am sinking in more than I should. Especially it’s worse with sitting on the bed to read something or watching TV.
Would you suggest i exchange it for a firm model? I am trying to research online but looks like there is not much information to find.

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    Joe Auer says June 1, 2016

    Hi Sam – I wouldn’t say there is a “should” sink in, but if you don’t like the feel, definitely switch out for the firm. I would give it at least a few weeks of sleeping though, the mattress feel will change a little bit during the first month – though usually it will get slightly softer, not firmer.

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    Kelly Stone says October 7, 2016

    Hello Sam and Joe,

    I have been reading your post and reviews on Loom and Leaf to find out if anyone is having the issue I am having. I slept on my brother’s loom and leaf and loved it. I researched and looked and ordered my first one in June, 2016. I am now on my 3rd due to the to cloth where my mid-body hits on the first two (and some other places) bunched up, gathered the cotton and made dips. Customer Service is Awesome. But…..! I am on my third mattress, had for two weeks now (FIRM) my weight is Not an issue. The third one is already began the same thing. If this is happening to me, I can’t be the only one. Sam ! I wonder if this is what was happening with you. I love my Loom and Leaf Mattress feel. But I can’t see what it would be in 6 months if it is this way now ! HELP ! I can’t find answers from anyone or reviews except 2 others on Amazon where they had reviewed Loom and Leaf.

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Cathy says June 11, 2016

Do you anything about how this mattress will hold up over time?

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    Joe Auer says June 17, 2016

    Hi Cathy – the mattress has only been available for one year at this point, so no actual anecdotal results to share. However, the density of the foam suggests that the mattress should hold up well.

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Holli says June 21, 2016

My husband & I have been trying the Loom and Leaf Relaxed Firm for 3 weeks now. We want to love it. We like the quality of the materials, that it doesn’t sleep hot and that it didn’t come in box (least important). But it is too firm. I wake up with major hip pain and my husband has back pain. We have not has a good night sleep since we got it. We are slightly on the heavy side, is there a mattress that you recommended; that has the same quality our higher that cradles the pressure points more? The only type of mattress we don’t want is innerspring. Also, what do you think of the Zenhaven? Is it just a firm feeling? Thank you for any help you can provide.

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    Joe Auer says June 22, 2016

    Hi Holli – the L&L will get a bit softer as you “break it in”, I’d give it a full month before definitely pulling the trigger. I would reach out to L&L as well, sometimes they will send a topper to add to the mattress. But at that point if still too firm, I’d probably take a look at Novosbed. Also a high quality memory foam mattress, but has a little more option when it comes to firmness.

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Clay says June 25, 2016

Do you know if Loom and Leaf recently changed the design of the top of their mattress? I just received my mattress this week, and it looks nothing like the pictures in your review or any other pictures I’ve seen online. The sewn-in diamonds you see on your mattress are much closer together on mine and there are probably three times as many. They cause about 150 circles, about 6 inches in diameter each, in between the diamonds, and the circles are raised off of the surface of the mattress. When I lay on the mattress, I can feel each of the circles underneath me. My body feels like it lays on top of the circles instead of sinking in slightly to the mattress. I’m wondering if this is a new design or a design flaw with my mattress. I called Loom and Leaf but the customer service rep had no idea what I was talking about and could only say “because they are handsewn, each mattress may look slightly different.” As I mentioned, this is more than a slight difference to any of the other pictures I’ve seen. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

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    Joe Auer says June 28, 2016

    Hi Clay – very strange! Some mattress companies will update their mattress with subtle changes over time (usually incorporating customer feedback), but I haven’t heard any announcements from Loom & Leaf. I will definitely keep an eye out!

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      Kelly Stone says October 10, 2016

      Joe,
      The Loom and Leaf did change the cover topping in the Spring of 2016. I was told it was to show the lumbar region. I am not sure what the real reason was but It seem’s this is causing issue’s with gathering , dipping and loose topping.

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    Kelly Stone says October 7, 2016

    Clay,
    I am wondering the same thing. My brother and sister in law bought their’s July 2015. Same manufacturer in Greenville, SC. I ordered mine June, 2016 (1 st one) I am now on my 3rd. The round circles are not sewn , loose thread, loose top causing gathering of the cotton underneath. I asked the same question to a Representative (Supervisor). I was told that didn’t manufacturers sewn differently. Not correct. I am very confused now, I love the feel of Loom and Leaf, but can’t live with the loose top, gathering cotton and bunching where I lay. They have had to change something to make this happen. Customer Service is Awesome. But I want my Mattress to BE AS AWESOME to Last ! Please someone respond if they have or having the same issue ! I am stuck wondering what to do !!! Go with Saavta ? Or the Latex Brand of this Company. If my brother and other’s he know’s that ordered when they first began and hasn’t had any issue I wound not believe in this Company. I have seen and experienced how great the Mattress feels and his is over a year old. No issues !

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Susan says July 1, 2016

Just received my Loof and Leaf relaxed firm. I really like it. I put my old mattress pad on it. I don’t like that. Does this mattress need a mattress pad or protector and what would you recommend? Thanks.

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    Joe Auer says July 1, 2016

    Glad you found one you like Susan! It doesn’t need a protector, but can benefit from a mattress protector like any other mattress can. I haven’t tried any myself, so sorry no recommendations on brands!

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    Stryker says September 12, 2016

    Although it doesn’t particularly need it, I always think it is a good investment to put a mattress protector on. We installed the Protect-A-Bed Allerzip Smooth bed protector and I really like the specifications of it: waterproof, asthma and allergy friendly, and bed-bug proof. I’m impressed with the product. Did not install a mattress pad.

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      Joe Auer says September 13, 2016

      Definitely agreed, a mattress protector can extend the life of a mattress for sure.

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Ian Stevens says July 6, 2016

All of the reviews I have read talk about how cool the L&L mattress sleeps. But it seems that they are saying “it sleeps very cool, for a foam mattress”. How does it compare to a traditional mattress? Sleeping cool is really important to me so I have been thinking of getting a Saatva. I haven’t seen too many reviews that comment on how cool the L&L sleeps compared directly to a good coil or hybrid mattress. Thanks for the great review.

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    Joe Auer says July 6, 2016

    Hi Ian! Innersprings generally will sleep cooler than memory foam, and in this case I think Saatva definitely sleeps cooler than Loom and Leaf.

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    Stryker says September 12, 2016

    I have slept on innerspring mattresses my whole life until I got the L&L. One of my concerns is that I did not want to sleep hot (common complaint about memory foam mattresses), but I wanted the back support that a memory gel foam mattress offers. L&L claims to have solved the sleeping hot issue, and I believe they have. Both me and my wife, no heat issues what-so-ever. As far as I could tell, temperature-wise it felt no different from the innerspring mattresses I’ve experienced in the past.

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Andrew says July 13, 2016

I alternate between sleeping on my front and back, occasionally my side (but not often). Do you think the Leesa or the Loom & Leaf would be more comfortable for me?

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    Joe Auer says July 20, 2016

    Both are good options for multiple sleeping positions, I think your feel preference should really determine between these two. Leesa has more “bounce” to the foam, while L&L has more slow-moving memory foam.

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Steve says July 19, 2016

Hi Joe,
I have tried T&N and Leesa. I have returned both due to developing shoulder pain while sleeping on my side. I’m looking into Loom and Leaf and Brooklyn Bedding. Any recommendations? Im about 180lbs.

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    Joe Auer says July 20, 2016

    Hi Steve – sounds like you may need a softer mattress? The L&L relaxed-firm is pretty average firmness. It worked great for me sleeping on my side, but if you want something softer, maybe consider the soft Brooklyn Bedding model.

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Penny says August 11, 2016

We purchased a loom and leaf relaxed firm after exhausting research and are very disappointed. We like the feeling of the tempur cloud breeze which is their comparison and it is nothing like that mattress. We are not sure which to go with now and considering novos. Any suggestions?

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    Joe Auer says August 12, 2016

    Hi Penny – sorry to hear that? What exactly do you not like about L&L? Novosbed has some differences, but many similarities to L&L as well (overall I really like Novosbed).

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Victor Weinman says August 25, 2016

I don’t know whether to get the LL firm or relaxed.
How does the relaxed firm LL feel, support and sink compare to the Alexander Signature medium which I tried. How does the LL
Firm compare to the Alexander firm as well.
Thanks, Victor

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    Joe Auer says August 27, 2016

    Hi Victor! So I’ve personally only tried L&L relaxed firm – I’d say it’s slightly firmer than the Alexander Signature medium. Generally I say go with the medium version of each, unless you know you really prefer a firm mattress.

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Vanessa Tea says August 26, 2016

So many choices!! I’m liking the specs & leaning toward the L&L… and have also studied Helix, Leesa, Casper and T&N. But I think I’m in a pickle because I am a serious combo of 50/50 stomach & side-sleeper. So I’m afraid to go with a firm choice (as is recommended for stomach-sleeping) because firmness isn’t advised for side-sleepers. And when I say “side”, I mean “fetal-ball”. What would you think is a smart compromise mattress for me? (5′ 10″, 140lbs) Thank you!

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    Joe Auer says August 27, 2016

    Hi Vanessa! Out of those you mentioned, the best for sleeping in all positions have been Leesa and Loom & Leaf (relaxed firm).

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Renee says September 4, 2016

I have had my L&L relaxed firm for about 3 wks now. I read all the questions with your answers. I wanted to add my thoughts on some things . The mattress does give off some sort of smell I guess some people call it off gassing. Some people c/o In there reviews on other websites about this. I really feel the smell will fade in time. The mattress is more firm than the temper pedic cloud lux. It is suppose to be comparable; It is much firmer It has not completely cured my back ache, but I am the problem not the bed. It feels good to me I just have correct my posture while I sleep. over all I am a satisfied customer so far.

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    Joe Auer says September 5, 2016

    Hi Renee, thank you for sharing your experience! I actually slept on the Loom & Leaf longer than usual (about a month), and I found it to get softer throughout the entire month. Would love to hear your thoughts after another 1-2 weeks.

    If you’re still having back pain, I’d also investigate the pillows – that is a big source of misalignment as well for some.

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Sue says September 5, 2016

Hi Joe
I am still deciding between a Lull and Loom and Leaf relaxed firm mattress. I’ve read the reviews etc and done the online ‘chats’ with Loom and Leaf. I understand the policies for return etc. My question that was not answered by either company… What do both companies do with the mattresses returned by customers? Is there any chance that one of those mattresses returned would be re-packaged and sold to me? I am very concerned about that because I have seen traditional mattresses sold in the ‘clearance/discount’
furniture companies with special labels so you know they were ‘returned’ mattresses. With the increased problems with bedbugs in hotels, housing etc, I am very concerned about this issue. Thanks for your help.

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    Joe Auer says September 5, 2016

    Hi Sue – I believe it is actually illegal to sell a returned mattress, so I wouldn’t worry about it. Most of the time they will have a local person pick it up, either for donation or trash. So the real concern is waste (if you decide you don’t want it), not getting a used mattress in the first place. That is the policy for the online guys anyway, I’m not sure what’s in the “clearance/discount” section of traditional retailers – though I assume the same rules apply.

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    Stryker says September 12, 2016

    I have read that even if you “return” a Loom and Leaf mattress, it doesn’t actually go back to them. They will donate the mattress, usually to a local charity.

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Marcus says September 6, 2016

Hello Joe,

Thanks for this review of the Loom and Leaf. Would you recommend the L&L Relaxed Firm for a stomach sleeper? I sleep with a partner on a queen size sealy posturpedic plush pillow top mattress right now. We like it fairly soft, so I’m a bit concerned that the L&L relaxed firm mattress will be a bit too stiff. What do you think?
My wife and I are looking into a L&L King size relaxed firm model.
Also, you mentioned that the relaxed firm mattress is comparable to a “mid range tempurpedic.” Which tempurpedic model specifically would you compare it to?

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    Joe Auer says September 6, 2016

    Hi Marcus – Normally I would recommend a firm mattress for a stomach sleeper, so I would say that L&L is not firm – but relative to a plush pillow top, it will probably feel more firm to you. I don’t compare it specifically to a model, but that’s more a general statement considering the feel and foams.

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etoile1289 says September 9, 2016

I got the Brooklyn Bedding firm a few days ago. It is like sleeping on a cloud and I love it. However I suffer from chronic lower back pain which comes and goes periodically, and it’s been acting up since I got the bed. That being said, in the last week I also started a new job (with a new chair that isn’t great), moved (packing, unpacking, lifting), and spent a few days on a futon before my new bed arrived. I am going to give it more time to see if the mattress is actually making my back worse, or if it is just acting up now due to a number of factors. However if the BB does not work out for me and my back pain does not go away, I am considering the Loom and Leaf firm as an alternative. I would describe myself as a side sleeper but I am somwhere in between side and stomach (this picture perfectly shows how I sleep! http://totillowdeepsleep.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/SideStomachSleeper.jpg) and I have always preferred a firm mattress. The firmer the better.

In sum: What are your thoughts on the BB firm vs. LL firm, particularly for lower back pain?

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    Joe Auer says September 12, 2016

    Thanks for the sleeping pic, one of my favorite positions as well haha! Generally I think of that more as side-sleeping, since you’re going to need pressure relief on the hips. I think that Brooklyn Bedding should be a good option for you – but it’s all about your body composition, sleeping position, and how it ends up aligning. Normally I’d say it’s a good option for you, but if it ends up not working out, I think L&L would be a good option as well.

    Big thing to consider with this sleeping position is the pillow as well – make sure it’s a pretty flat pillow, if it’s too thick a pillow it could put that crimp in your lower back and cause pain.

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Garrett says September 13, 2016

I’m a very tall, 260 lbs, usually side (sometimes back) sleeper with lower back pain who likes to sleep near the edge of the bed and to feel support contoured to my body, without sinking in like quicksand. My wife is about 115 lbs and prefers sleeping on very firm beds on her back mostly (sometimes side), and really doesn’t like the feeling of sinking into memory foam. I’ve read that side sleepers should avoid super firm beds, but also that heavy guys like me might need a firm for support. We want to avoid some of the chemical exposure that seems to come with memory foams. We’ve been thinking about Loom and Leaf in a Firm if it doesn’t sink too much, or Saatva in a firm, or a firm latex maybe. Any suggestions for us? Thank you!! Absolutely love your site!

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    Joe Auer says September 14, 2016

    Hi Garret – thanks for the kind words! At 260 lbs I’d say firm is a good option, you’ll sink in more so a firm bed might feel more medium-firm for you. As for Loom & Leaf and Saatva – both beds I really like, very similar in terms of quality, it really just comes down to your preference for memory foam vs innerspring. You mentioned sinking in and chemical smell – both of these would not be an issue with Loom & Leaf firm (it is not delivered compressed, so the smell is very minimal if there’s any at all).

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HS says September 15, 2016

well now im confused more then ever LOL what would be the best foam mattress for a heavier sleeper who likes some hug rather then sleep on top of the mattress but also needs support. off gassing is not welcome due to severe chemical sensitivies

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Stryker says September 17, 2016

Garret, I’m 6 feet tall, 300 lbs. My wife is 5’2″ and weighs, well, more than 115. I’m primarily a side sleeper, she is primarily a stomach sleeper. We both prefer a firm mattress over a soft. We ordered the L&L firm mattress in King size. We are both pleased with the firmness and feel of this mattress. This is our first memory foam mattress, having owned innerspring mattresses all of our lives. The two biggest adjustments we have had to make to the memory foam are: 1) My wife was an extreme edge sleeper. With the L&L, she had to back away from the edge about 8 inches. As she neared the edge the mattress would compress to where she was no longer lying level and felt like she might roll off (this is a common experience with all memory foam mattresses). 2) The L&L is a “slow-response” memory foam mattress. Once you get on the mattress it begins to conform to the contours of your body. If you change positions it takes about 40 seconds for it to totally un-compress the foam where you were laying, and to complete re-contouring to your body in the new position. Again this is a common attribute of memory foam mattresses. For me it was not an issue at all, it’s just the way a good memory foam mattress responds. As to chemical smell, neither my wife or I detected any smell at all after removing it from it’s package. As to sinking, I estimate I sink about 2.5″ at the hips and 1.25″ at the shoulders. At 115 lbs, I don’t think your wife is going to get hardly any sinkage at all if you order a firm mattress. As to lower back pain, my wife has a herniated disc in her back. She could not sleep on our old innerspring mattress, but can sleep through the night on our L&L. I used to wake in the mornings with severe muscle pain in my lower back on our old innerspring mattress. On the L&L I wake with no back pain about 50% of the time, and very mild discomfort the rest of the time that quickly goes away. While lying on the bed we feel no pain or discomfort. By the way, this is not a condemnation of innerspring mattresses. Our’s was shot and needed replacement anyway. Had I not been happy with the L&L, I would have kept it for our guest room and re-ordered a SAATV innerspring mattress. I really liked their design and of course the price was way more competitive than buying a brand name from a big box store.

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Elizabeth Mycek says September 24, 2016

Can you use a heated mattress pad with the Loom and Leaf gel mattress? And is the memory foam mattress eventually going to get body sagging areas like every other mattress? Thank you!

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    Joe Auer says September 25, 2016

    Hi Elizabeth – heated mattress pad should be fine. Every memory foam mattress will sag, it’s just a question of when ;). Loom & Leaf has high density foams, so I expect that the mattress will hold up better than most memory foam mattresses over time.

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Melissa Ekwinski says September 28, 2016

I”m considering the L&L as a new mattress. What do you recommend from the foundation standpoint? How much does using their foundation matter and what size do you recommend?

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    Joe Auer says September 29, 2016

    Hi Melissa – as long as you have a sturdy foundation that distributes the weight well, it shouldn’t matter. L&L has a nice foundation, but I think you would pay the slightly higher price more for an aesthetic match rather than mattress performance.

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Jessica says October 5, 2016

How would you compare this to a Helix? Thanks!

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    Joe Auer says October 6, 2016

    For a very quick comparison:

    L&L is memory foam feel VS Helix latex-like feel

    L&L is slow moving foam VS Helix has more spring

    L&L ~$1k for a queen VS Helix ~$800 for a queen

    L&L sleeps a little warmer VS Helix sleeps a little cooler

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Larry says October 6, 2016

I weight about 140 lb and my wife about 115. We are interested in either the Loom & Leaf relaxed firm or the Brentwood Home Bamboo Gel 13. Do you have an opinion on the Brentwood model and how do the 2 compare?
Thanks.

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    Joe Auer says October 6, 2016

    Hi Larry – biggest starting point would be the price difference there, pretty significant. I think L&L is a higher quality memory foam option, though much more expensive. Note I think the Bamboo Gel 13 is a great mattress, tremendous value, just not as luxurious an option so hard to compare.

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David Bennett says October 7, 2016

2 questions, we are looking at the ashley furniture 12 series, but have found no reviews for it and it looks like the L&L would be a great option as we like the TP Luxe, but the price is way to much for us. So my questions are do you know how the Ashley may compare? Also can we use our old box spring for the L&L? It’s about 8 years old. Thanks.

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Kelly Stone says October 7, 2016

Hello Joe,
I have a Loom and Leaf Firm mattress. I ordered in June, 2016. I had an issue with the top and gathering of the cotton/underneath bunching and making dips within 2 weeks. I am now on my 3rd. I have had it two weeks and it also has began the same.

Question: I read your reviews and seen two people that may have a similar issue. One said dipping. Have you had other’s that had this issue ?

Clay had asked if the top of the mattress had changed……I think this is the issue in some way. I can’t have gotten Three bad Mattress !!! My bed is very stable and exceeds Loom and Leaf requirements.. I even asked If I could or the bed could cause the issue. I was told No ! It was a fluke. I just want to know if there are others having this experience. I love the Loom and Leaf mattress . Except for the loose topping, gathering cotton and dipping within weeks. What would it be in 6 months ? Any Help would be greatly appreciated !
Kelly

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    Richard Robbins says October 29, 2016

    Ouch. I am on the verge of buying a Loom and Leaf after my Temp mattress. Now I may have doubts. That bunching or whatever it is sounds bad. I do hope you receive an answer soon as I will try my best to follow this — wishing you luck and the best with your mattress.

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    Mike says December 17, 2016

    I’ve had my Loom and Lead Queen for about a month and it’s starting to bunch and has a dip where I sleep. Seems unacceptable for a mattress of this stated quality and price. Perhaps it is because of the change of the design for the top of the mattress as the divots are much closer?

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Heather says October 16, 2016

Can you use an adjustable bed base with this mattress? Thanks!

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Kathy says October 22, 2016

I think I am going to try the loom and leaf. What firmness level do you suggest for a side sleeper, heavy set.

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Rob says October 22, 2016

My wife and I are looking into purchasing a new mattress. We have never slept on a memory foam mattress. My question (other than price), what would be the comparison of an L&L to a Sleep Number mattress? If you had to choose, with money not a concern, what would be your choice?

Thanks

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    Joe Auer says October 24, 2016

    Hi Rob – I haven’t (officially) reviewed Sleep Number, so I don’t have the best comparison for you. However it’s definitely a very unique feel, and really not comparable to the memory foam feel. I would check out a Sleep Number in person and see if you like the feel, then check out a store with memory foam to compare.

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Dave says October 29, 2016

I see a few people have asked you about the new design bunching up and you you failed to answer any of them like a politician. That sends a red flag up to me. I have been considering buying this mattress but now I don’t know.

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    Joe Auer says October 31, 2016

    I wonder if I’m a Republican, Democrat, or Independent when it comes to mattresses haha?!

    But seriously – I didn’t have that experience myself, so I don’t have much to add. I’m always rotating mattresses, but I gave my L&L to a friend down the street and did check in on it this week – no bunching. I always invite readers to come back and leave comments, because they may have had experiences (and definitely preferences) different than mine.

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Richard Robbins says October 29, 2016

Thank you for such a thorough review. After having slept on a Tempurpedic for more years than I can imagine I had to replace my mattress last year and the Tempur I have know I do not like so I am looking for something new. The Loom and Leaf sounds like a great one to try. One of the problems I have is “hot” sleeping so the cool gel stuff sounds good to me. I can’t imagine any site being more detailed than yours but I have to ask if there are anymore resources I can use before I make my final decision on my purchase? Again, thanks for the fantastic review site.

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Richard Robbins says October 29, 2016

Hate to bother again but a quick question please — I tend to sleep “hot” and need a cool mattress (which I have really yet to find) — looking at the L&L or the Helix — your opinion please (or is there another comparable mattress I need to be looking at — I use and adjustable base – health issues – medium/firm and as I said cool or cold if possible) —- thanks so much for any help you can give me. I hope to get a good mattress this time without spending 2500 or more —- the 1000 price range looks good

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    Joe Auer says October 31, 2016

    Hi Richard – L&L is great at sleeping cool for a memory foam mattress, but other types of mattresses generally will sleep cooler if you’re very sensitive to heat.

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    Iris Coleman says November 1, 2016

    Strange, I’m a cold-natured person and I was waken up to a burning sensation on my back which I’d never experienced before (I’m a back sleeper).

    I didn’t have a good sleep initially for the 1st week, but then it got better after other than the heat on my back woke me up in the middle of the night sometimes. I had to switch to sleeping on the side. Even my husband says it’s warm, too warm sometimes, no wonder he doesn’t sleep on his back anymore.

    Don’t get me wrong, I really love this L&L Relaxed Firm Mattress, it gives me a very good support I needed, but now I’m thinking of returning it now…

    Maybe L&L uses different materials for different orders, mine was order end of July, 2016.

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Robin Willging says November 1, 2016

I am seriously considering Amerisleep Colonial or the Loom and Leaf Relaxed Firm and/or the Nest Alexander Signature series. What is your favorite out of the three? My husband and I are in our early 50s and sleep mostly on our sides. Weighing 140 and 170. Thanks for your input.

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Samantha says November 4, 2016

Was about to buy a Tempur-pedic but having read your review we have ordered a Loom and Leaf instead. Thanks..

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Brian says November 6, 2016

Have narrowed our search to the L&L or the Amerisleep. We are both tall heavy set and have sore backs and shoulders at various times. Which would you chose? Thanks Joe!

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Chris says November 7, 2016

Another SCAM to make you think it’s NON TOXIC! I am taking the time to write a review because I am sick and tired of the way Company’s like this market their products into thinking they are good for you while the hide the Chemicals in their products! They should be out of business with their questionable morals.
I had contacted the Company in writing via instant messaging and found out that yes they do provide an organic cotton cover however only the top 5 inches out of the entire 12 inch bed is composed out of supposedly a corn and soy based cooling memory foam the rest of the foam and the bed is made out of POLYURETHANE which does off gas and has been linked to cancer. ONLY the top five inches of the bed as they claim to be natural but and does not off-gas the rest of the beds will continue to off gas with toxic Chemicals. Buyer beware, do your homework and stay away from anything that has memory foam in it I suggest a natural organic latex bed.

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Gerry K says November 8, 2016

Great review Joe ! We have had our L&L for a year now, and it is very good. We had a memory foam bed from Angel beds for 8 years, and you sunk into it like a featherbed (really liked that) but felt it was time to replace it. The medium L&L was still a little hard for my tastes (my wife liked it though – a firmer mattress was the main reason I replaced) but we added a queen size wool topper, that made the difference. Would higher recommend this solution. Go with a firmer bed that will probably last longer, and top it with foam or thick wool and you get the best of both worlds for significantly less than Temper P.

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Derrill says November 21, 2016

A lot of online retailers are fueled by venture capital and/or are startups. If they go belly up, I’m guessing the warranty can’t be honored, right? Is that the “company” rating that you added to each review?

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    Joe Auer says November 21, 2016

    Hi Derrill – newer companies are definitely a lower “company” rating, in part to reflect some of that risk. Though note for me it’s not a very scientific process!

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Linda Inglis says November 27, 2016

Can we use our existing box spring to support the mattress?

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Ann Twiggs says November 28, 2016

I am particularly concerned about low back pain. How does this mattress work in preventing low back pain? Also, I am a side sleeper and sometimes get hip pain.

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Martha Schumacher says December 1, 2016

How would you compare Leesa and Loom & Leaf medium? I’m a side sleeper/sometimes on my back. My husband is a stomach/side sleeper. We are currently sleeping on an older Stearns and Foster with a 2″ foam pad. I do get hip and shoulder pain. Thanks.

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Chris says December 24, 2016

My wife likes the softness of the Temprupedic cloud elite. Would the Loom & Leaf medium firm be comparable? The L&L says to be 5 to 6 rating. I can’t find any ratings for the Temprupedic Cloud Elite the same way.

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    Joe Auer says December 27, 2016

    Hey Chris – it would be a decent comparison for a much less-expensive mattress. What do you mean by the ratings?

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James Austin says December 25, 2016

We have the Leesa Martha Schumacher. My wife loves it, she’s a slide sleeper and about 110 lbs. I’m 220 and sleep on my stomach, I’m having some low back pain and i’m not sure if its a touch too soft or maybe not enough support for a bigger fellow. On the other hand the Leesa is a really nice mattress constructed very well. I’m also interested in his response.

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Melanie says December 28, 2016

Hi Joe! I’m hoping you can give me your opinion: so far my research is leading me toward loom and leaf. I am 5’2 130 lb and I sleep VERY hot, side sleeper, bad hip and low back pain. My fiancé is 6′ 185 and had back surgery a year and a half ago so he has back pain also. I don’t wanna feel “sunk” or too cradled but really think we both need amazing back/hip support. What would you suggest?! Thanks!

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Carol says December 28, 2016

Hi-I was wondering how this mattress compares to the sterns and foster estate hustonville-firm. That mattress is not totally all memory foam but is this one similar?

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    Joe Auer says January 1, 2017

    Hi Carol – I haven’t tried much from the Stearns & Foster line, but hoping to this year!

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Walt says December 29, 2016

Ratings on side sleeping comfort would be helpful. My wife and I are both back and side sleepers.

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Jonathan says December 29, 2016

This review is nothing more than a morning after thought about the first night sleeping in our new Loom & Leaf relaxed firm mattress.
Fifteen years ago I purchased a 5 lb. 4.5″ top layered foam mattress online. For almost two years leading up to Dec 2016 I have been contemplating needing a new mattress. I was having night sweat issues at times which I blamed on Raynaud’s. My wife and I called this mattress a butter bed, but in these past few years I’ve noticed some sporadic aches and pains upon waking up. I’d blame it on my running. But I finally ramped up the search so I could pull the trigger on a new mattress.
Fifteen years ago I believed buying a mattress from a store was a waste of time. 5 minutes, 1/2 hour, whatever in a store…bed testing in a store is useless. You need to use the bed in it’s natural and intended purpose – to sleep on. So I bought online having a couple of months in house tryout, and if returned only cost is original shipping. I was fine with that. I researched foam density, firmness, various product reviews, and made my choice.
I did the same thing this time. I actually played the game again and went to a few stores to test mattresses. It was nothing but a waste of time. So I began researching. From Consumer Reports to online, I researched. From my standpoint my choice was all about balancing online reviews to actual specifications I was looking for. Based on our happiness with our prior mattress, I wanted 5 lb foam at the top, preferably 4.5″ which was the previous mattress memory foam layer. My wife is allergic to latex, so any mattress with latex was immediately eliminated. I learned about cooling technology and that was a consideration based on my recent sweating. My old mattress had a spring layer, but that wasn’t a necessity for this purchase. I wanted a firm enough foam mattress that I believed would last at least 10 years before feeling any instance of breakdown on comfort and support, yet the butter bed feeling was something my wife & I both liked.
I learned about many companies I had not previously known during my research. The new knowledge was because I wasn’t really looking for a mattress until now and had no need to keep up with the mattress world. The CPA came out in me, and I become knowledgeable about what I was about to purchase. Saatva came up in my research, a relatively young player in the mattress world. As a CPA, I really liked the business model of exclusively online purchasing. Just like I felt 15 years ago, buying a mattress in a store just isn’t useful in my opinion, nor in Saatva’s. That was important to me. I didn’t care for any comparisons to Temperpedic, because I wrote them off a long time ago de to inflated prices on name only. My choice came down to the relaxed firm Loom & Leaf.
The mattress was professionally delivered, and setup to the movers was a snap. I chose to go to TJ Maxx and get a mattress pad/protector. As beautiful as the Loom & Leaf looks, I like to take care of my important things. SInce on average we spend 1/3 of our lives in bed, this is a majorly important purchase, and protection is key.
When I woke up this morning, it was the first time in a while I didn’t feel anything in the body. When I laid down for the first time to sleep last night, in comparison to our older mattress the Loom & Leaf seemed pretty firm, maybe more than I was bargaining for. But with a 75 day trial period, no overreacting. I have 2+ months to decide. Let me just say that I sleep in all positions, and I found all to be comfortable even though my mind was trying to say too firm. Obviously with a relaxed firm, can’t get any softer. But I know how I slept that first night, and it was great.
So, that’s a one night review. Only time will tell, and the 75th day is the next major milestone. If I’m the least bit dissatisfied, that’s the last day I can return it, or I live with it. After 1 night, I am pretty confident 75 days will come and go and the Loom & LEaf will be well entrenched in the bedroom.

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Jenna LaCrue says January 10, 2017

Hi Joe,

Have you had a chance to review the Nectar Mattress? I am wondering how it compares to Loom and Leaf? Those seem to be the two I keep coming back to in my mattress hunt.

Thank you for your input
Jenna

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    Joe Auer says January 11, 2017

    Hi Jenna – I have not yet! What interests you about Nectar?

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Billy Stojanovski says January 16, 2017

Can you explain more about not lasting more than 2-3 years? Also I am a bigger guy 275 lbs. how does that affect the review.

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    Joe Auer says January 18, 2017

    Hi Billy! The biggest difference will be the mattress will feel differently to you than shown in the videos – I’d trend towards a firmer mattress for you in general.

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Glenda Coch says January 17, 2017

I currently have. a twenty-year old high quality box spring and mattress set with a 4-inch memory foam mattress (no cover on memory foam)I that I added on top. I am a side sleeper with hip and shoulder pain. If I get one of these mattresses, do I keep my box springs or does the mattress lie directly on the bed slats. Thanks.

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    Joe Auer says January 18, 2017

    Hi Glenda – you can keep the box spring (if it’s in good condition) if you prefer, but it will be great on bed slats as well (just check the Loom & Leaf warranty to make sure your bed slats meet the requirements).

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Carolyn Hunter says February 2, 2017

Our new loom and leaf queen size mattress just delivered today. Can’t wait to try it out. So sick of rolling to the middle
Of the bed when my husband gets up
In the morning! I’ll let you know how it goes.

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Patrick Donahue says February 8, 2017

Can you buy this mattress anywhere other than direct from Saatva? Are there any discount coupons or offers that would make this mattress a better bargain?

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    Joe Auer says February 8, 2017

    Hi Patrick – they only sell online, unfortunately I don’t have any discounts (I’ve never heard of them offering any)

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Joe O says February 25, 2017

HeyJoe
Love ur reviews, can u recommend a mattress for me I’m 6-3 and 235 lbs and a side sleeper I never slept on a foam mattress but I’ve been looking at trying one. Please help
Thank u
Joe O

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Yvonne says March 5, 2017

We gave our 4 year old King iComfort to our daughter because it was too soft and purchased a Loom and Leaf. Loved it the first few nights and then around day 11, I noticed sagging where our bottoms were on the bed. A week later, there was significant sagging and I also noticed that the bed was warm to sleep on. We are not that big. My husband is about 210lbs and I am 130lbs. I hate that you can see the sagging even when the bed is made. I did so much research and I’m really disappointed in both the sagging and the heat. I will return it but first I now have the daunting task of looking for another bed 🙁 Our bed before the iComfort was a Rhapsody from Tempur-pedic but it was a queen and we wanted a King. May have to bite bullet and get another Tempur-pedic. Ugh!

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Matt says March 12, 2017

Hi Joe,

I have been sleeping on a Loom and Leaf (luxury firm) for almost 4 weeks now. At times I love it, but other times I wake up with shoulder pain and some mild low back pain. I am 5’10”, 170 lbs, athletic build, and have broad shoulders. I either sleep on my side or stomach. When I sleep on my stomach I think the L&L works great. I think the side sleeping is when I wake up with the shoulder and low back issues.

My previous mattress was a lower cost firm mattress with a higher end 3″ mattress topper. It sunk in and hugged me a good bit. I never had any pain on it. I am thinking I need a softer mattress and/or one that provides more of the “hug” feel for pressure point relief when I am sleeping on my side than the L&L is currently providing.

The other mattresses that I thought might work are: Alexander Signature Medium, Amerisleep Liberty, or Winkbed.

Do you think any of these would provide the solution? Are any of them a little softer than the L&L and provide better contouring and pressure relief for side sleeping?

Thanks for any feedback! I am also open to other options if you have any!

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    Joe Auer says March 13, 2017

    Hi Matt,

    L&L is a bit slower to “break in” than other memory foam mattresses I’ve tried, so I usually say give it ~4 weeks before you make a final decision. Sounds like you’re about there, so for a different brand – Alexander Signature Medium and Amerisleep Liberty are probably the two I would suggest. I’d consider Amerisleep more similar to Loom and Leaf in terms of feel (though the Liberty will be slightly softer).

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Shevaune says March 17, 2017

How would you say this mattress compares to the tempur grandbed? We have been looking for 2 years for something comparable.

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Barbara M says March 19, 2017

I read your review before buying the loom and leaf relaxed firm mattress, and again today. I have owned this mattress a little over a year now. Once I got used to foam vs springs, I LOVED it! It slept cool for a short time, then seem ed to be hot. I contacted the company and they exchanged the mattress without a single ounce of resistance.
The one we have now is super hot, and my husband, who is approximately 195 lbs, says that he is sinking in more than ever. Today, when I changed the sheets, I paid extra attention. After about 7 hours, the mattress was still significantly more indented on his side. I wonder if your followers have found similar things, and if you have any suggestions for recourse. I don’t think that a 1 month review and then no follow up is a fair assessment.
Thank you.
Barbara M

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Jenny E. says March 20, 2017

My husband and I love everything about the L&L and the Saatva company. We don’t have a lot of money for big purchases like this, but I was having so many health issues that we decided a year ago to do extensive research and spend this years income tax to get a good bed that would help us both to get up in the mornings without extreme pain. The entire experience has been amazing and we would highly recommend L&L to anyone wanting a great bed at a great value. We originally got the king size relaxed firm mattress and we slept on it for about a month. I am quite a bit over weight and I felt like the firm mattress would probably be a better fit for me. We contacted the company and told them our concern. They deliver and do in home set up which for our area costs 99 dollars, so they said we would only have to pay the cost of delivery. I explained to them that we had spent our income tax to make this purchase and that we probably would not have that kind of extra money during our 120 day home trial. They were amazing and offered to waive the delivery fee for us. So 2 weeks later we got our king size firm mattress and it is perfect. We wake up refreshed and pain free. It really is risk free, they will help with exchanges or refunds and are fast to call you and answer any questions you may have. They truly do strive to make every customer satisfied. We have no regrets at all buying online. Amazing product and amazing company! If we ever need another bed we will be buying from Loom and Leaf!

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    Joe Auer says March 21, 2017

    Thanks for your feedback Jenny, glad you had a good experience!

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Jeff says April 18, 2017

Hi I’m wondering if this is a mattress that will hold up over time to a heavy person – and do you deliver in Canada? I am also wondering if the bed will develop a imprint over time? Thank you in advance for your reply.

Jeff

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    Joe Auer says April 19, 2017

    Hi Jeff – I don’t believe L&L delivers to Canada at this time, but I’d check with them to confirm.

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Megan says May 29, 2017

My husband and I tested the Serta icomfort blue 300. We liked the firmness of it. The reviews for longevity aren’t great for it. I am interested in the Loom and Leaf I just don’t know what firmness to go with. It can have a little give for “comfy” feeling but my husband likes an 8 on the firmness scale. Can you give me your opinion on whether to get the relaxed firm or firm mattress.

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mike says June 20, 2017

where did you purchase your bed frame? I’m looking for a frame that borders just the loom and leaf base.

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    Joe Auer says July 6, 2017

    This one was just off Amazon! Nothing fancy but does the job.

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Skip Laird says June 27, 2017

Wondered if L&L compares to Tempur Pedic Contour Supreme firm in Queen size. We priced tempur pedic @ $2799

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    Joe Auer says June 28, 2017

    Definitely compares, but the Contour Supreme will be firmer.

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Arielle says July 2, 2017

Hey there! I notice you haven’t responded to the two comments addressing the sagging…I am considering purchasing a Loom and Leaf mattress after having sagging issues with the Tuft and Needle I bought a few months ago. I am feeling discouraged after seeing those comments and was wondering what you might know about that? Thanks!

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    Joe Auer says July 6, 2017

    Hi Arielle – sorry didn’t mean to not respond! I didn’t have any sagging issues myself, though note I don’t test the mattresses over long periods of time. Though I am surprised by the sagging since the L&L uses high density foams (which generally hold up better over time).

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